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The reactions in this thread are interesting, because they seem to imply that this is the final straw that has convinced us to not buy Chevrolets and Buicks, as

The reactions in this thread are interesting, because they seem to imply that this is the final straw that has convinced us to not buy Chevrolets and Buicks, as opposed to the last 30+ years of of their products being generally terrible.

Tempest1981 4y ago
But the hope was that their new EV lineup would change things, and pull people back.
- myko 4y ago
  The Lyriq looks really nice
fghorow 4y ago
Personally, I LOVE my (2019) Volt. FWIW, it also has AA/Car Play. First they kill the Volt -- IMHO the best PHEV on the market when I bought it -- now they kill a vastly superior interface to anything I've ever used in a car. Sorry GM, you might just have lost a (stockholding, for now, at least) customer.
smt88 4y ago
It's been hard to predict the quality of electric vehicles based on the same brand's ICE/hybrid vehicles. For example, Toyota is head and shoulders better than the competition at ICE and hybrids, but they're arguably last in EVs. In fact, Consumer Reports says the Chevy Bolt is currently the best EV[1]. 1. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/electric-vehicles https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/electric-vehicl...
KerrAvon 4y ago
Sort of. I know Tesla owners who've bought Bolts as secondary cars but would not otherwise be caught dead in a GM car. There are people who buy Corvettes who wouldn't consider another GM car. I avoid American cars at all costs but was still considering a Bolt before this news.
alistairSH 4y ago
If I needed a full-size truck, I'd consider a GM (alongside Toyota and Ford). Without CarPlay, I'll buy one of the other brands. If I wanted a near-supercar, I'd consider a Corvette. Without CarPlay, I'll buy a Cayman S or something else instead. The Corvette might be measurably better in most performance metrics, but if I can't use the apps I'm accustomed to using, I won't buy it. The rest of the GM line-up? Yeah, pretty uninspiring.
ydant 4y ago
My household has 3 EV Chevy cars - Volt, Bolt, Spark. Buying another Chevy EV at some point was certainly a possibility. I even use Android, and don't personally care that much about Apple support, and I'm still unhappy about this and it's making me less interested in Chevy for the next car.
- gpanders 4y ago
  It's not mentioned in the headline, but GM also intends to phase out Android Auto, so this is not specific to iPhones. >General Motors plans to phase out widely-used Apple CarPlay and Android Auto technologies that allow drivers to bypass a vehicle's infotainment systems, shifting instead to built-in infotainment systems developed with Google for future electric vehicles.
sockaddr 4y ago
Exactly. I’ve long joked that buying a Buick in the modern era is a sign of severe brain trauma. Even the economic argument doesn’t make sense when you consider the reliability.
nichos 4y ago
That's a very 80s view of GM.

Tempest1981 4y ago

But the hope was that their new EV lineup would change things, and pull people back.

myko 4y ago
The Lyriq looks really nice

fghorow 4y ago

Personally, I LOVE my (2019) Volt. FWIW, it also has AA/Car Play. First they kill the Volt -- IMHO the best PHEV on the market when I bought it -- now they kill a vastly superior interface to anything I've ever used in a car. Sorry GM, you might just have lost a (stockholding, for now, at least) customer.

smt88 4y ago

It's been hard to predict the quality of electric vehicles based on the same brand's ICE/hybrid vehicles. For example, Toyota is head and shoulders better than the competition at ICE and hybrids, but they're arguably last in EVs. In fact, Consumer Reports says the Chevy Bolt is currently the best EV[1]. 1. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/electric-vehicles https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/electric-vehicl...

KerrAvon 4y ago

Sort of. I know Tesla owners who've bought Bolts as secondary cars but would not otherwise be caught dead in a GM car. There are people who buy Corvettes who wouldn't consider another GM car. I avoid American cars at all costs but was still considering a Bolt before this news.

alistairSH 4y ago

If I needed a full-size truck, I'd consider a GM (alongside Toyota and Ford). Without CarPlay, I'll buy one of the other brands. If I wanted a near-supercar, I'd consider a Corvette. Without CarPlay, I'll buy a Cayman S or something else instead. The Corvette might be measurably better in most performance metrics, but if I can't use the apps I'm accustomed to using, I won't buy it. The rest of the GM line-up? Yeah, pretty uninspiring.

ydant 4y ago

My household has 3 EV Chevy cars - Volt, Bolt, Spark. Buying another Chevy EV at some point was certainly a possibility. I even use Android, and don't personally care that much about Apple support, and I'm still unhappy about this and it's making me less interested in Chevy for the next car.

gpanders 4y ago
It's not mentioned in the headline, but GM also intends to phase out Android Auto, so this is not specific to iPhones. >General Motors plans to phase out widely-used Apple CarPlay and Android Auto technologies that allow drivers to bypass a vehicle's infotainment systems, shifting instead to built-in infotainment systems developed with Google for future electric vehicles.

sockaddr 4y ago

Exactly. I’ve long joked that buying a Buick in the modern era is a sign of severe brain trauma. Even the economic argument doesn’t make sense when you consider the reliability.

nichos 4y ago

That's a very 80s view of GM.