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Wow ditching both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto to target $20 billion to $25 billion in subscription revenue. GM showing itself to be actively user hostile wi

Wow ditching both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto to target $20 billion to $25 billion in subscription revenue. GM showing itself to be actively user hostile with this. Owners will be paying an extra subscription cost for these apps to be in their car which are already on their phone. Google Maps subscription free in these GM EVs only for the first 8 years. Then you pay a subscription with recurring billing. These vehicles are no longer a consideration with this user hostile orientation. I hope this sends GM to bankruptcy round 2 and deters other car manufacturers from this nonsense.

dreamcompiler 4y ago
And of course there is zero chance GM's software will be even 1/10 as easy to use as Apple's because no car manufacturer (except maybe Tesla) understands UI software or even acknowledges that it's important. I already pay "subscriptions" for my car in the form of loan payments, insurance, and maintenance. I'm damn well not going to pay Mary Barra a monthly fee to use her crappy music service or enable my seat heaters to work.
- code_witch_sam 4y ago
  i see it going two ways: 1. they do skeumorphic design in a way where comes out as a giant touchscreen with a bunch of static buttons like you see with physical interfaces on a car 2. very deep menus. e.g., a dozen taps to switch from radio to bluetooth in either case, it'll have a 15hz frame rate and 800ms of lag between input and response. i expect nothing better. meanwhile, if we had a full-on apple car, it would probably have a 120hz truemotion display, well-calibrated spatial audio, and a fully-utilized M2 Max chip i was bearish on the idea of an apple car years ago, but now with tesla withering, i'm practically begging for it
esskay 4y ago
GM are seriously deluded if they think they can get anywhere near those figures. We all know how crappy their software will be, and why on earth would they think anyone will be stupid enough to pay a subscription for it when its free on every other car.
bequanna 4y ago
GM’s CEO is delusional. With dealer lots full of new vehicle inventory, she is choosing to lay off employees and shut down production instead of make reasonable price cuts. And to double down on that delusion, she said that GM was “…poised to capture any upside in the market in 2023.”
- recursv_thnkng 4y ago
  I think GMs backs are against the wall here. GMs margins are already so thin on most of that inventory (aside from top trims of trucks) that they’d be basically paying customers to take the cars off the lot. On top of that they lose a bunch of money on warranty claims and have no sustainable subscription models currently. GMs strategy is basically to cut off their nose to spite their face.

dreamcompiler 4y ago

And of course there is zero chance GM's software will be even 1/10 as easy to use as Apple's because no car manufacturer (except maybe Tesla) understands UI software or even acknowledges that it's important. I already pay "subscriptions" for my car in the form of loan payments, insurance, and maintenance. I'm damn well not going to pay Mary Barra a monthly fee to use her crappy music service or enable my seat heaters to work.

code_witch_sam 4y ago
i see it going two ways: 1. they do skeumorphic design in a way where comes out as a giant touchscreen with a bunch of static buttons like you see with physical interfaces on a car 2. very deep menus. e.g., a dozen taps to switch from radio to bluetooth in either case, it'll have a 15hz frame rate and 800ms of lag between input and response. i expect nothing better. meanwhile, if we had a full-on apple car, it would probably have a 120hz truemotion display, well-calibrated spatial audio, and a fully-utilized M2 Max chip i was bearish on the idea of an apple car years ago, but now with tesla withering, i'm practically begging for it

esskay 4y ago

GM are seriously deluded if they think they can get anywhere near those figures. We all know how crappy their software will be, and why on earth would they think anyone will be stupid enough to pay a subscription for it when its free on every other car.

bequanna 4y ago

GM’s CEO is delusional. With dealer lots full of new vehicle inventory, she is choosing to lay off employees and shut down production instead of make reasonable price cuts. And to double down on that delusion, she said that GM was “…poised to capture any upside in the market in 2023.”

recursv_thnkng 4y ago
I think GMs backs are against the wall here. GMs margins are already so thin on most of that inventory (aside from top trims of trucks) that they’d be basically paying customers to take the cars off the lot. On top of that they lose a bunch of money on warranty claims and have no sustainable subscription models currently. GMs strategy is basically to cut off their nose to spite their face.