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And it drives them up the wall that they can't get to the shipper/receiver, clock out and then load/unload, drive 10-30min to where they can park and then turn

And it drives them up the wall that they can't get to the shipper/receiver, clock out and then load/unload, drive 10-30min to where they can park and then turn the truck off for the night. Meanwhile some CDL bus driver or day cab driver clocks out at the end of his shift, commutes an hour home, has dinner, gets woken up for 10min at 3am by his infant and then clocks back into work at 4am and the government is fine with it. Same number of waking hours. Same number of driving hours. But the white collar bureaucrats give the latter a pass. Back in the day they just cooked the books but now with ELD they can't anymore.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
It seems to me the dynamics of the failures are different - cab drivers drive smaller vehicles at slower speeds in more engaging traffic. When a semi truck crashes it makes a highly visible spectacle, and if there are other people involved, with fatalities. If a cab driver takes a micronap in rush hour traffic they bounce off someone's bumper.
- 29083011397778 4y ago
  Note parent also mentioned bus driver. 20 tonnes does not merely "bounce off someone's bumper"; 20 tonnes plus 70 passengers even less so, and all that's assuming it's only a 40-foot bus. Articulated buses are 60' here, with some articulated trolley-buses having such outrageous torque they had to be de-tuned to avoid destroying themselves. A zero-to-sixty (kilometer) on par with a Miata, no loudly revving diesel engine or exhaust, and approximately 40 tonnes between coach and passenger weight should not be so quickly dismissed.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    That does change the math, but again, the buses aren't usually going that fast (I'm sure their average speed is far closer to zero than to 60), and like I said, they are much more engaged, constantly stopping or changing lanes. There's much less chance of the bus driver nodding off on a quiet stretch of highway.
lazyasciiart 4y ago
It does seem like a small but noticeable improvement would be made if shipping/receiving locations were incentivized to allow trucks to park there overnight. Walmart was an example that stuck out to me - it's a decision by each store as to whether trucks can stay in the parking lot overnight. I can't see why anyone benefits from allowing a Walmart to say truck drivers can't stay in their massive parking lot before the planned 5am delivery.
mrguyorama 4y ago
You mean the buses where you don't have to wear a seatbelt or even have a seat? Safety is pretty damn low on bus priorities. Even with our damn children, school buses are often driven by underpaid, overworked, inexperienced people, and the kids have nothing to protect them in an accident. City buses don't have belts or safety either, but at least they are usually in very low speed collisions. We had to implement an annoying rule about stopping before train tracks so they'd stop trying to cross in front of trains! We ignore it because fixing it would cost tax dollars

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

It seems to me the dynamics of the failures are different - cab drivers drive smaller vehicles at slower speeds in more engaging traffic. When a semi truck crashes it makes a highly visible spectacle, and if there are other people involved, with fatalities. If a cab driver takes a micronap in rush hour traffic they bounce off someone's bumper.

29083011397778 4y ago
Note parent also mentioned bus driver. 20 tonnes does not merely "bounce off someone's bumper"; 20 tonnes plus 70 passengers even less so, and all that's assuming it's only a 40-foot bus. Articulated buses are 60' here, with some articulated trolley-buses having such outrageous torque they had to be de-tuned to avoid destroying themselves. A zero-to-sixty (kilometer) on par with a Miata, no loudly revving diesel engine or exhaust, and approximately 40 tonnes between coach and passenger weight should not be so quickly dismissed.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  That does change the math, but again, the buses aren't usually going that fast (I'm sure their average speed is far closer to zero than to 60), and like I said, they are much more engaged, constantly stopping or changing lanes. There's much less chance of the bus driver nodding off on a quiet stretch of highway.

lazyasciiart 4y ago

It does seem like a small but noticeable improvement would be made if shipping/receiving locations were incentivized to allow trucks to park there overnight. Walmart was an example that stuck out to me - it's a decision by each store as to whether trucks can stay in the parking lot overnight. I can't see why anyone benefits from allowing a Walmart to say truck drivers can't stay in their massive parking lot before the planned 5am delivery.

mrguyorama 4y ago

You mean the buses where you don't have to wear a seatbelt or even have a seat? Safety is pretty damn low on bus priorities. Even with our damn children, school buses are often driven by underpaid, overworked, inexperienced people, and the kids have nothing to protect them in an accident. City buses don't have belts or safety either, but at least they are usually in very low speed collisions. We had to implement an annoying rule about stopping before train tracks so they'd stop trying to cross in front of trains! We ignore it because fixing it would cost tax dollars