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Don't see why you are being downvoted, missing one common supported hardware has always been a big problem in the linux community, always chasing crazy combina

Don't see why you are being downvoted, missing one common supported hardware has always been a big problem in the linux community, always chasing crazy combinations of drivers. Of course if you control the hardware and software stacks, it's leads to a better experience and community can build on it.

jchw 4y ago
Microsoft Surface and Google Pixel are both similar examples, but they don't really feel substantially better than alternatives where the hardware and software stacks are less unified. The primary difference between Steam Deck and other Linux experiences isn't really that the hardware and software are unified, it's that you're actually running a supported configuration in the first place. Almost all Linux setups are ultimately ran on hardware that was built to run Windows in the first place. Even System76 laptops ultimately (today) come from hardware designed for Windows laptops. Steam Deck is flat out, start to finish, all the way down to the APU, designed to boot into Linux, and it shows. On the contrary, booting Windows on it gives you some of the hallmarks of a typical Linux experience on less supported hardware. But I don't think that's really what the comment was about. I think what is really interesting here is the community. I think the close collaboration between Valve and the Linux community is pretty unique. Mac has always had a very vocal fanbase, but Apple is a notoriously secretive and stubborn company. Valve is doing all of this work in the open including customer support, which is fostering quite a community. I think to compare it to Mac computers misses the point; Mac has an unusually large base of enthusiasts, much larger than the Steam Deck userbase, but it's not strength in numbers that is intriguing here.
- philistine 4y ago
  That's not what OP was mentioning as the benefit. They were specifically mentioning the simplicity of a single common hardware base, not the openness of Valve. That this simplicity was making it super easy to pool resources with other users. The Mac always had that common pooling of resources amongst users, and it has been useful despite Apple's stringent secrecy.
  - jchw 4y ago
    This is the important bit. > > An insanely helpful community. Tons of knowledge out there for getting it to do anything you can dream of. > This may actually be one of the biggest lasting impacts of the Steam Deck. It puts a lot of enthusiasts with a common interest on a highly reproducible and officially supported configuration. If a game doesn't work, you can file a bug with Valve on Github about it and most of the time it'll be fixed within a week. If the system itself is misbehaving, you can feel safe knowing that there are thousands of others on the exact same configuration. The community building that Valve does is important for this in my opinion.
xattt 4y ago
The ease-of-use of software or hardware can unintentionally filter for a certain profile of user base. If it’s hard-to-use, Kafkaesque, or unforgiving, users who are able to integrate the hardware/software into their daily lives are likely to see it as a trial-by-fire and be gatekeepers to others.

jchw 4y ago

Microsoft Surface and Google Pixel are both similar examples, but they don't really feel substantially better than alternatives where the hardware and software stacks are less unified. The primary difference between Steam Deck and other Linux experiences isn't really that the hardware and software are unified, it's that you're actually running a supported configuration in the first place. Almost all Linux setups are ultimately ran on hardware that was built to run Windows in the first place. Even System76 laptops ultimately (today) come from hardware designed for Windows laptops. Steam Deck is flat out, start to finish, all the way down to the APU, designed to boot into Linux, and it shows. On the contrary, booting Windows on it gives you some of the hallmarks of a typical Linux experience on less supported hardware. But I don't think that's really what the comment was about. I think what is really interesting here is the community. I think the close collaboration between Valve and the Linux community is pretty unique. Mac has always had a very vocal fanbase, but Apple is a notoriously secretive and stubborn company. Valve is doing all of this work in the open including customer support, which is fostering quite a community. I think to compare it to Mac computers misses the point; Mac has an unusually large base of enthusiasts, much larger than the Steam Deck userbase, but it's not strength in numbers that is intriguing here.

philistine 4y ago
That's not what OP was mentioning as the benefit. They were specifically mentioning the simplicity of a single common hardware base, not the openness of Valve. That this simplicity was making it super easy to pool resources with other users. The Mac always had that common pooling of resources amongst users, and it has been useful despite Apple's stringent secrecy.
- jchw 4y ago
  This is the important bit. > > An insanely helpful community. Tons of knowledge out there for getting it to do anything you can dream of. > This may actually be one of the biggest lasting impacts of the Steam Deck. It puts a lot of enthusiasts with a common interest on a highly reproducible and officially supported configuration. If a game doesn't work, you can file a bug with Valve on Github about it and most of the time it'll be fixed within a week. If the system itself is misbehaving, you can feel safe knowing that there are thousands of others on the exact same configuration. The community building that Valve does is important for this in my opinion.

xattt 4y ago

The ease-of-use of software or hardware can unintentionally filter for a certain profile of user base. If it’s hard-to-use, Kafkaesque, or unforgiving, users who are able to integrate the hardware/software into their daily lives are likely to see it as a trial-by-fire and be gatekeepers to others.