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They might as well be in terms of political power. In a democracy a group or interest should have power according to their number. That's not how it works in pr

They might as well be in terms of political power. In a democracy a group or interest should have power according to their number. That's not how it works in practice though.

adamrezich 4y ago
did you just exit a time portal from the 1920s or something? women have incredible amounts of power in contemporary US politics.
- bayesian_horse 4y ago
  Then please take a look at how many women are in congress. How many senators. Especially on the republican side. Then tell me again how this looks like women have an equal chance to get there. What you perceive as "women have incredible amounts of power" is actually "feminists" (as in people who care about equal rights) raising a stink about that inequality. Or your perception how the status-quo is just as it should be and any attempts to change that are "going too far".
  - adamrezich 4y ago
    what you perceive as "women having unequal chance to get [into Congress]" is actually just comparing the ratio of men to women in Congress, noting that it's not 1:1, and claiming that this somehow is indicative of institutionalized discrimination, and assuming that there are no other factors at play. my red state has a female governor. women vote more than men in many demographics. women are doing just fine when it comes to having political power.
    - bayesian_horse 4y ago
      I don't have time to explain to you all the ways that equal rights haven't been achieved yet (and abortion is actually part of that) or all how that can be seen. Looking at the cold hard ratios across the board should tell everyone with an open minded that there still is a long way to go... If were just random factors or preferences you'd expect some legislatures to be MAJORITY female.
      - adamrezich 4y ago
        > I don't have time to explain to you all the ways that equal rights haven't been achieved yet (and abortion is actually part of that) women don't have political equality with men, until all women decide to vote for something that you have ascertained to be in their best interests for them? …what??
        bayesian_horse 4y ago
        Banning abortion is part of inequality. Men don't get pregnant, not through consensual sex and certainly not through rape. Raising a child is a significant burden on a woman, and the impact is still born primarily by the women and not the men. Most women who get abortions actually already have children and decide they can't raise more.
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- bayesian_horse 4y ago
  And that is even more extreme for the legislatures that are restricting reproductive rights and bodily autonomy...
  - adamrezich 4y ago
    surely you don't believe that all women are pro-choice… so how do pro-life women fit into your worldview? surely they don't lack agency in their decision-making process, thereby forfeiting their political power…?
    - bayesian_horse 4y ago
      Actually even in states where there is an anti-abortion legislative majority, the majority of voters, and the overwhelming majority of female voters are against those restrictions. Nobody forces anyone to have an abortion, but it is almost exclusively male legislative bodies that make laws taking away that decision, and that is indeed something that polls extremely badly with women across the entire country. You seem completely uninformed on the topic of actual feminism or equal rights or women right's issues, with only a very basic and wrong understanding that probably stems from sources trying to curb women's right. If you feel so strongly I suggest you start reading up on that.
      - akavi 4y ago
        > the overwhelming majority of female voters are against those restrictions. Source? The polls I can find easily [0][1] show very similar levels of support for/against abortion restrictions between genders. Women tend to to be slightly more pro-choice, but certainly not "overwhelmingly". [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/mississippi/views-about-abortion/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-stu... (annoyingly this one answers "what percentage of people who are pro/anti abortion are female, rather than what percent of women are pro/anti-abortion") [1] https://www.cbs42.com/news/new-polling-shows-alabama-primary-voters-split-on-abortion-roe-v-wade/ https://www.cbs42.com/news/new-polling-shows-alabama-primary...
rayiner 4y ago
Women are the majority of voters in nearly every election in the country. The number of women in Congress isn't a good measure of women's political power, because many women prefer to have a man in the publicly visible role. My mom is a Democrat and thinks the President should be a man. That doesn't mean women "lack political power according to their number"--you just disagree with how they're exercising that political power.
- bayesian_horse 4y ago
  You don't have any proof that women prefer men in power. You just assume that. And you probably lack any education about the gazillion things that even shape the choices those female electors have in that regard. Even if those women consistently think men are better in power: How come? Isn't that part of inequality just as well.

They might as well be in terms of political power. In a democracy a group or interest should have power according to their number. That's not how it works in practice though.

adamrezich 4y ago

did you just exit a time portal from the 1920s or something? women have incredible amounts of power in contemporary US politics.

bayesian_horse 4y ago
Then please take a look at how many women are in congress. How many senators. Especially on the republican side. Then tell me again how this looks like women have an equal chance to get there. What you perceive as "women have incredible amounts of power" is actually "feminists" (as in people who care about equal rights) raising a stink about that inequality. Or your perception how the status-quo is just as it should be and any attempts to change that are "going too far".
- adamrezich 4y ago
  what you perceive as "women having unequal chance to get [into Congress]" is actually just comparing the ratio of men to women in Congress, noting that it's not 1:1, and claiming that this somehow is indicative of institutionalized discrimination, and assuming that there are no other factors at play. my red state has a female governor. women vote more than men in many demographics. women are doing just fine when it comes to having political power.
  - bayesian_horse 4y ago
    I don't have time to explain to you all the ways that equal rights haven't been achieved yet (and abortion is actually part of that) or all how that can be seen. Looking at the cold hard ratios across the board should tell everyone with an open minded that there still is a long way to go... If were just random factors or preferences you'd expect some legislatures to be MAJORITY female.
    - adamrezich 4y ago
      > I don't have time to explain to you all the ways that equal rights haven't been achieved yet (and abortion is actually part of that) women don't have political equality with men, until all women decide to vote for something that you have ascertained to be in their best interests for them? …what??
      - bayesian_horse 4y ago
        Banning abortion is part of inequality. Men don't get pregnant, not through consensual sex and certainly not through rape. Raising a child is a significant burden on a woman, and the impact is still born primarily by the women and not the men. Most women who get abortions actually already have children and decide they can't raise more.
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bayesian_horse 4y ago
And that is even more extreme for the legislatures that are restricting reproductive rights and bodily autonomy...
- adamrezich 4y ago
  surely you don't believe that all women are pro-choice… so how do pro-life women fit into your worldview? surely they don't lack agency in their decision-making process, thereby forfeiting their political power…?
  - bayesian_horse 4y ago
    Actually even in states where there is an anti-abortion legislative majority, the majority of voters, and the overwhelming majority of female voters are against those restrictions. Nobody forces anyone to have an abortion, but it is almost exclusively male legislative bodies that make laws taking away that decision, and that is indeed something that polls extremely badly with women across the entire country. You seem completely uninformed on the topic of actual feminism or equal rights or women right's issues, with only a very basic and wrong understanding that probably stems from sources trying to curb women's right. If you feel so strongly I suggest you start reading up on that.
    - akavi 4y ago
      > the overwhelming majority of female voters are against those restrictions. Source? The polls I can find easily [0][1] show very similar levels of support for/against abortion restrictions between genders. Women tend to to be slightly more pro-choice, but certainly not "overwhelmingly". [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/mississippi/views-about-abortion/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-stu... (annoyingly this one answers "what percentage of people who are pro/anti abortion are female, rather than what percent of women are pro/anti-abortion") [1] https://www.cbs42.com/news/new-polling-shows-alabama-primary-voters-split-on-abortion-roe-v-wade/ https://www.cbs42.com/news/new-polling-shows-alabama-primary...

rayiner 4y ago

Women are the majority of voters in nearly every election in the country. The number of women in Congress isn't a good measure of women's political power, because many women prefer to have a man in the publicly visible role. My mom is a Democrat and thinks the President should be a man. That doesn't mean women "lack political power according to their number"--you just disagree with how they're exercising that political power.

bayesian_horse 4y ago
You don't have any proof that women prefer men in power. You just assume that. And you probably lack any education about the gazillion things that even shape the choices those female electors have in that regard. Even if those women consistently think men are better in power: How come? Isn't that part of inequality just as well.