5 ms·

> An insanely helpful community. Tons of knowledge out there for getting it to do anything you can dream of. This may actually be one of the biggest lasting i

> An insanely helpful community. Tons of knowledge out there for getting it to do anything you can dream of. This may actually be one of the biggest lasting impacts of the Steam Deck. It puts a lot of enthusiasts with a common interest on a highly reproducible and officially supported configuration. If a game doesn't work, you can file a bug with Valve on Github about it and most of the time it'll be fixed within a week. If the system itself is misbehaving, you can feel safe knowing that there are thousands of others on the exact same configuration. Just two weeks ago, I had an issue with the system resuming into a blacked-out screen, so I vaguely Googled the symptoms and "Steam Deck", which led me to a Reddit thread with oodles of people experiencing the same issue[1]. Someone said it was a bug related to the new customizable boot animation feature -- I turned the feature off and I could go on with my day without even opening a single log file! [1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/11ubgfl/latest_update_breaking_games_on_resume/ https://old.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/11ubgfl/latest_u...

jupblb 4y ago
I have the same issue with my Steam Deck but didn't have the time to Google it. Thank you for saving me these few minutes!
philistine 4y ago
Welcome to the greatest benefit of the Mac community since 1984!
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  Don't see why you are being downvoted, missing one common supported hardware has always been a big problem in the linux community, always chasing crazy combinations of drivers. Of course if you control the hardware and software stacks, it's leads to a better experience and community can build on it.
  - jchw 4y ago
    Microsoft Surface and Google Pixel are both similar examples, but they don't really feel substantially better than alternatives where the hardware and software stacks are less unified. The primary difference between Steam Deck and other Linux experiences isn't really that the hardware and software are unified, it's that you're actually running a supported configuration in the first place. Almost all Linux setups are ultimately ran on hardware that was built to run Windows in the first place. Even System76 laptops ultimately (today) come from hardware designed for Windows laptops. Steam Deck is flat out, start to finish, all the way down to the APU, designed to boot into Linux, and it shows. On the contrary, booting Windows on it gives you some of the hallmarks of a typical Linux experience on less supported hardware. But I don't think that's really what the comment was about. I think what is really interesting here is the community. I think the close collaboration between Valve and the Linux community is pretty unique. Mac has always had a very vocal fanbase, but Apple is a notoriously secretive and stubborn company. Valve is doing all of this work in the open including customer support, which is fostering quite a community. I think to compare it to Mac computers misses the point; Mac has an unusually large base of enthusiasts, much larger than the Steam Deck userbase, but it's not strength in numbers that is intriguing here.
    - philistine 4y ago
      That's not what OP was mentioning as the benefit. They were specifically mentioning the simplicity of a single common hardware base, not the openness of Valve. That this simplicity was making it super easy to pool resources with other users. The Mac always had that common pooling of resources amongst users, and it has been useful despite Apple's stringent secrecy.
      - jchw 4y ago
        This is the important bit. > > An insanely helpful community. Tons of knowledge out there for getting it to do anything you can dream of. > This may actually be one of the biggest lasting impacts of the Steam Deck. It puts a lot of enthusiasts with a common interest on a highly reproducible and officially supported configuration. If a game doesn't work, you can file a bug with Valve on Github about it and most of the time it'll be fixed within a week. If the system itself is misbehaving, you can feel safe knowing that there are thousands of others on the exact same configuration. The community building that Valve does is important for this in my opinion.
  - xattt 4y ago
    The ease-of-use of software or hardware can unintentionally filter for a certain profile of user base. If it’s hard-to-use, Kafkaesque, or unforgiving, users who are able to integrate the hardware/software into their daily lives are likely to see it as a trial-by-fire and be gatekeepers to others.
_wolfie_ 4y ago
[flagged]
- tyfon 4y ago
  > How do people even come up with this? Frustration and hours of "fiddling" is my guess, suddenly you did something that worked. The worst is when you can't remember the exact steps! Not that I have this issue myself, I have the dual sense which seems to work fine.
- hoorible 4y ago
  It’s 2023 and this is supposed to be a place for grownups. Don’t fucking use the r word. Here or anywhere.
  - codersfocus 4y ago
    Please don’t use the f word, this is a mature discussion forum. You’re an adult, you can express your feelings without such vulgarities.
  - dougmwne 4y ago
    Who comes up with this stuff anyway? There are a half dozen old terms for people with an intellectual disability. Most of them are still common and accepted in speech, (dumb, idiot, fool, stupid, imbecile). How did this one word get elevated to such triggering heights? It means the same thing and has the same connotation as those other words! I swear we are entering a neovictorian age.
    - TMWNN 4y ago
      Linguistic locusts. In ten years, when the newly adopted euphemism for a word today deemed a slur has itself been deemed a slur, the locusts will be onto the next term to denounce.
    - hoorible 4y ago
      > Who comes up with this stuff anyway? > How did this one word get elevated to such triggering heights? Those are actually great questions! Have you considered, instead of shouting rhetorically into the ether, actually looking for the answers? Maybe reading editorials from people in the autism community about why there's a renewed focus on eliminating use of some especially harmful words but not others? This kind of behaviour is what I think of when I see all these comments about the recent enshittification of discourse on HN. For a community that's supposed to be for the intelligent and innately curious, there seems to be a growing deficit of people actually looking to seek out, learn from and appreciate other perspectives. > It [...] has the same connotation as those other words! No, it doesn't. Maybe it does to some of the people who choose to use it, but certainly not to the people it describes or are affected by the use of it. Again, maybe you could look into it, but that would depend you actually being willing to learn from the answers you'd find. > I swear we are entering a neovictorian age. I also worry that we're regressing socially and intellectually, but I suspect you and I have very different concerns in this regard.

jupblb 4y ago

I have the same issue with my Steam Deck but didn't have the time to Google it. Thank you for saving me these few minutes!

philistine 4y ago

Welcome to the greatest benefit of the Mac community since 1984!

BiteCode_dev 4y ago
Don't see why you are being downvoted, missing one common supported hardware has always been a big problem in the linux community, always chasing crazy combinations of drivers. Of course if you control the hardware and software stacks, it's leads to a better experience and community can build on it.
- jchw 4y ago
  Microsoft Surface and Google Pixel are both similar examples, but they don't really feel substantially better than alternatives where the hardware and software stacks are less unified. The primary difference between Steam Deck and other Linux experiences isn't really that the hardware and software are unified, it's that you're actually running a supported configuration in the first place. Almost all Linux setups are ultimately ran on hardware that was built to run Windows in the first place. Even System76 laptops ultimately (today) come from hardware designed for Windows laptops. Steam Deck is flat out, start to finish, all the way down to the APU, designed to boot into Linux, and it shows. On the contrary, booting Windows on it gives you some of the hallmarks of a typical Linux experience on less supported hardware. But I don't think that's really what the comment was about. I think what is really interesting here is the community. I think the close collaboration between Valve and the Linux community is pretty unique. Mac has always had a very vocal fanbase, but Apple is a notoriously secretive and stubborn company. Valve is doing all of this work in the open including customer support, which is fostering quite a community. I think to compare it to Mac computers misses the point; Mac has an unusually large base of enthusiasts, much larger than the Steam Deck userbase, but it's not strength in numbers that is intriguing here.
  - philistine 4y ago
    That's not what OP was mentioning as the benefit. They were specifically mentioning the simplicity of a single common hardware base, not the openness of Valve. That this simplicity was making it super easy to pool resources with other users. The Mac always had that common pooling of resources amongst users, and it has been useful despite Apple's stringent secrecy.
    - jchw 4y ago
      This is the important bit. > > An insanely helpful community. Tons of knowledge out there for getting it to do anything you can dream of. > This may actually be one of the biggest lasting impacts of the Steam Deck. It puts a lot of enthusiasts with a common interest on a highly reproducible and officially supported configuration. If a game doesn't work, you can file a bug with Valve on Github about it and most of the time it'll be fixed within a week. If the system itself is misbehaving, you can feel safe knowing that there are thousands of others on the exact same configuration. The community building that Valve does is important for this in my opinion.
- xattt 4y ago
  The ease-of-use of software or hardware can unintentionally filter for a certain profile of user base. If it’s hard-to-use, Kafkaesque, or unforgiving, users who are able to integrate the hardware/software into their daily lives are likely to see it as a trial-by-fire and be gatekeepers to others.

_wolfie_ 4y ago

[flagged]

tyfon 4y ago
> How do people even come up with this? Frustration and hours of "fiddling" is my guess, suddenly you did something that worked. The worst is when you can't remember the exact steps! Not that I have this issue myself, I have the dual sense which seems to work fine.
hoorible 4y ago
It’s 2023 and this is supposed to be a place for grownups. Don’t fucking use the r word. Here or anywhere.
- codersfocus 4y ago
  Please don’t use the f word, this is a mature discussion forum. You’re an adult, you can express your feelings without such vulgarities.
- dougmwne 4y ago
  Who comes up with this stuff anyway? There are a half dozen old terms for people with an intellectual disability. Most of them are still common and accepted in speech, (dumb, idiot, fool, stupid, imbecile). How did this one word get elevated to such triggering heights? It means the same thing and has the same connotation as those other words! I swear we are entering a neovictorian age.
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    Linguistic locusts. In ten years, when the newly adopted euphemism for a word today deemed a slur has itself been deemed a slur, the locusts will be onto the next term to denounce.
  - hoorible 4y ago
    > Who comes up with this stuff anyway? > How did this one word get elevated to such triggering heights? Those are actually great questions! Have you considered, instead of shouting rhetorically into the ether, actually looking for the answers? Maybe reading editorials from people in the autism community about why there's a renewed focus on eliminating use of some especially harmful words but not others? This kind of behaviour is what I think of when I see all these comments about the recent enshittification of discourse on HN. For a community that's supposed to be for the intelligent and innately curious, there seems to be a growing deficit of people actually looking to seek out, learn from and appreciate other perspectives. > It [...] has the same connotation as those other words! No, it doesn't. Maybe it does to some of the people who choose to use it, but certainly not to the people it describes or are affected by the use of it. Again, maybe you could look into it, but that would depend you actually being willing to learn from the answers you'd find. > I swear we are entering a neovictorian age. I also worry that we're regressing socially and intellectually, but I suspect you and I have very different concerns in this regard.