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Why the hell is there a list of crisp flavors at the EU? What if I want to make and sell my own original one?

jodrellblank 4y ago
Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public? Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning Here's some more contemporary links: https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/additives/eu-rules_en https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/add... https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/flavourings/eu-lists-flavourings_en https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/fla... Which includes an answer to your question: "The procedure for authorisation of a flavouring substance is common to the one established for food additives and enzymes under Regulation (EC) No 1331/2008."
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- dylan604 4y ago
  The fact that something called "flavouring substance" is a thing makes me shake my head. >Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public? Are these the same regulators that allowed Olestra to be used? sidebar--just to check the spelling of Olestra, I used the Mac's force click dictionary access: "Origin 1980s: from (p)ol(y)est(e)r + the suffix -a." WTF? Seriously? We dropped some letters from polyester and called it food ingredient? Yeah, sounds like some "regulations will save us" doesn't work as expected.
  - cccbbbaaa 4y ago
    As I can't find when olestra products were sold in the EU, the answer seems to be “no”. Don't hesitate to prove me wrong though.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      Sure, the EU definitely seems to be better about what it considers food. The United States of Greed definitely needs to do better. I'm constantly flabbergasted at what is considered edible and passes as food in the US. The fact that being required to put on the package the words "anal leakage" doesn't immediately stop someone from using it as an ingredient just shows how little corp food cares about what it puts into the "food products" it manufactures/sales.
- throwaway59582 4y ago
  >Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning I don't see how said regulation would have helped in this case, the shop owner simply mistook fake sugar for arsenic, it's not like he decided to sell arsenic-flavored candies.
  - not_your_vase 4y ago
    Correct. He was selling candies filled with (what he thought was) gypsum. Yum. (He didn't mix up the sugar with arsenic. He mixed up the gypsum.)
dnh44 4y ago
>What if I want to make and sell my own original one? Then you're free to do so if you aren't putting artificial sweeteners in them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Directive_91/71/EEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Directive_91/71/EEC
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nforgerit 4y ago
I'd say that there's two different styles of legislation here. AFAIK in the US (and maybe UK too) a producer can put whatever they want into their products but can be sued to death in case sth goes wrong. Most EU countries have a different flavor such that they try to tightly control products and their ingredients upfront. Imho both styles have their pros and cons.
- piuantiderp 4y ago
  Food in Europe > USA. Even the fast food.
  - FredPret 4y ago
    Depends on where you go. You can eat better in NYC than in Vienna, and better in Barcelona than Pittsburgh.

Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public? Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning Here's some more contemporary links: https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/additives/eu-rules_en https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/add... https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/flavourings/eu-lists-flavourings_en https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/fla... Which includes an answer to your question: "The procedure for authorisation of a flavouring substance is common to the one established for food additives and enzymes under Regulation (EC) No 1331/2008."

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dylan604 4y ago
The fact that something called "flavouring substance" is a thing makes me shake my head. >Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public? Are these the same regulators that allowed Olestra to be used? sidebar--just to check the spelling of Olestra, I used the Mac's force click dictionary access: "Origin 1980s: from (p)ol(y)est(e)r + the suffix -a." WTF? Seriously? We dropped some letters from polyester and called it food ingredient? Yeah, sounds like some "regulations will save us" doesn't work as expected.
- cccbbbaaa 4y ago
  As I can't find when olestra products were sold in the EU, the answer seems to be “no”. Don't hesitate to prove me wrong though.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Sure, the EU definitely seems to be better about what it considers food. The United States of Greed definitely needs to do better. I'm constantly flabbergasted at what is considered edible and passes as food in the US. The fact that being required to put on the package the words "anal leakage" doesn't immediately stop someone from using it as an ingredient just shows how little corp food cares about what it puts into the "food products" it manufactures/sales.
throwaway59582 4y ago
>Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning I don't see how said regulation would have helped in this case, the shop owner simply mistook fake sugar for arsenic, it's not like he decided to sell arsenic-flavored candies.
- not_your_vase 4y ago
  Correct. He was selling candies filled with (what he thought was) gypsum. Yum. (He didn't mix up the sugar with arsenic. He mixed up the gypsum.)

dnh44 4y ago

>What if I want to make and sell my own original one? Then you're free to do so if you aren't putting artificial sweeteners in them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Directive_91/71/EEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Directive_91/71/EEC

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nforgerit 4y ago

I'd say that there's two different styles of legislation here. AFAIK in the US (and maybe UK too) a producer can put whatever they want into their products but can be sued to death in case sth goes wrong. Most EU countries have a different flavor such that they try to tightly control products and their ingredients upfront. Imho both styles have their pros and cons.

piuantiderp 4y ago
Food in Europe > USA. Even the fast food.
- FredPret 4y ago
  Depends on where you go. You can eat better in NYC than in Vienna, and better in Barcelona than Pittsburgh.