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> "This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the

by swores 4y ago

> "This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the GDPR." Here's an example of that not being true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload Or a more recent example that's related to financial/fraud regulations rather than copyright law, look at the FTX / Sam Bankman-Fried situation. Being registered in the Bahamas didn't make what FTX was doing to US customers any less illegal in the eyes of the US justice system. Or, I mentioned COPPA earlier, and that's been enforced at least once against a Chinese company - https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2019/02/largest-ftc-coppa-settlement-requires-musically-change-its-tune https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2019/02/largest-f...

PrimeMcFly 4y ago
> Here's an example of that not being true: That's not an example at all. I'm talking specifics here. The GDPR is the first law of it's kind that just outright asserts jurisdiction anywhere, as long as the origin took some data from an EU citizen. That is absolutely unprecedented. I'm not aware of any remotely similar law in commerce or communications in any other country. Megaupload is about an international seizure of a specific company, not farreaching broad open-ended legislation. COPPA only applies domestically, and is significantly more narrow in scope. I know wiki says the FTC asserts it has international reach, but the actual text of the legislation (https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-312 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-C...) says no such thing, and the wiki says that opinion isn't taken seriously. Also, in the case of Bytedance, they have a US presence which is why they were able to be sued in a US court: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.371242/gov.uscourts.ilnd.371242.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.37... So yeah, I would still say it's unprecedented, I really can't see how there is anything similar.
- swores 4y ago
  I don't really see how to argue further since you seem to be intentionally missing the point and looking for minor pedantic nuances that don't actually change the situation. So I'll let you know that I still think you're entirely wrong, and agree to disagree.
  - Zurrrrr 4y ago
    That's fine, I respect you ending the discussion if you don't feel headway can be reached. I will say I feel you are missing my point, and that you are claiming things like COPPA are equivalent because you are at a higher level of abstraction. When you get more specific, you will see that I am correct. Cheers.

by swores 4y ago

PrimeMcFly 4y ago

> Here's an example of that not being true: That's not an example at all. I'm talking specifics here. The GDPR is the first law of it's kind that just outright asserts jurisdiction anywhere, as long as the origin took some data from an EU citizen. That is absolutely unprecedented. I'm not aware of any remotely similar law in commerce or communications in any other country. Megaupload is about an international seizure of a specific company, not farreaching broad open-ended legislation. COPPA only applies domestically, and is significantly more narrow in scope. I know wiki says the FTC asserts it has international reach, but the actual text of the legislation (https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-312 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-C...) says no such thing, and the wiki says that opinion isn't taken seriously. Also, in the case of Bytedance, they have a US presence which is why they were able to be sued in a US court: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.371242/gov.uscourts.ilnd.371242.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.37... So yeah, I would still say it's unprecedented, I really can't see how there is anything similar.

swores 4y ago
I don't really see how to argue further since you seem to be intentionally missing the point and looking for minor pedantic nuances that don't actually change the situation. So I'll let you know that I still think you're entirely wrong, and agree to disagree.
- Zurrrrr 4y ago
  That's fine, I respect you ending the discussion if you don't feel headway can be reached. I will say I feel you are missing my point, and that you are claiming things like COPPA are equivalent because you are at a higher level of abstraction. When you get more specific, you will see that I am correct. Cheers.