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Yeup. I had a similar comment above. I tried phone screening someone, and they had no working knowledge of the commercial apps that we integrate with, the datab

by taude 4y ago

Yeup. I had a similar comment above. I tried phone screening someone, and they had no working knowledge of the commercial apps that we integrate with, the databases we use, etc. And I can hire literally for half the price someone with working knowlege AND know they won't be resentful about the job....

upon_drumhead 4y ago
FWIW, I've been trying to make the jump from FAANG to a smaller, stable company for the past few years. I started off in the smaller companies and miss it terribly. I made a bunch of extra money in the FAANG space, but I'm unhappy. Resentful is the last thing I'd ever be, but the lack of working knowledge is a huge issue. I work weekends on building knowledge, but the lack of direct experience running something at scale means I'll never get the chance to make the jump back to the environment I want and thrive in. I honestly wish I never made the jump for the money in the first place.
Eumenes 4y ago
Exactly. I'm also seeing this trend among new grads/early career SWEs. AWS, MongoDB, and all sorts of cloud first product companies have been plugging their software to the university system, and these kids come out of college w/o understanding of the computing layer below these products. Like they don't know what a server is, what a data center is, how storage works. Is that not being taught in CS programs?
- quesera 4y ago
  Ugh. I've been interviewing Ops/Sec candidates lately, and I'm genuinely confused every time an experienced candidate struggles with their chosen shell.
  - klooney 4y ago
    Lol- "switched to fish but can't use it"?
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  > they don't know what a server is, what a data center is, how storage works. Is that not being taught in CS programs? Not what CS is. (Although I did take a chip-level architecture and asm class, that's the closest it gets to hardware.) If you want a Network/Storage Engineer, hire one.

by taude 4y ago

upon_drumhead 4y ago

FWIW, I've been trying to make the jump from FAANG to a smaller, stable company for the past few years. I started off in the smaller companies and miss it terribly. I made a bunch of extra money in the FAANG space, but I'm unhappy. Resentful is the last thing I'd ever be, but the lack of working knowledge is a huge issue. I work weekends on building knowledge, but the lack of direct experience running something at scale means I'll never get the chance to make the jump back to the environment I want and thrive in. I honestly wish I never made the jump for the money in the first place.

Eumenes 4y ago

Exactly. I'm also seeing this trend among new grads/early career SWEs. AWS, MongoDB, and all sorts of cloud first product companies have been plugging their software to the university system, and these kids come out of college w/o understanding of the computing layer below these products. Like they don't know what a server is, what a data center is, how storage works. Is that not being taught in CS programs?

quesera 4y ago
Ugh. I've been interviewing Ops/Sec candidates lately, and I'm genuinely confused every time an experienced candidate struggles with their chosen shell.
- klooney 4y ago
  Lol- "switched to fish but can't use it"?
mixmastamyk 4y ago
> they don't know what a server is, what a data center is, how storage works. Is that not being taught in CS programs? Not what CS is. (Although I did take a chip-level architecture and asm class, that's the closest it gets to hardware.) If you want a Network/Storage Engineer, hire one.