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Sounds like a police department wants to be defunded. They forget who they work for.
by malfist 4y ago
Sounds like a police department wants to be defunded. They forget who they work for.
- dgacmu 4y agoHistory with NYPD suggests they know they have a good chance of getting away with it, unfortunately.
- EGreg 4y agoHistory is colorful https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_riot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_riot
- hedora 4y agoHey, citizen’s arrest is a thing. We just need the proponents of this law to surround the chief on their way to work (or maybe a police station), then call the feds. This actually worked reasonably well in the US a century or so ago. It’s one of the few use cases for the 2nd amendment that made any sense (other than hunting for food).
- devoutsalsa 4y agoMakes me wonder if anyone has ever been charged with resisting a citizen’s arrest.
- zdragnar 4y agoNo, but you'll definitely get charged with false imprisonment if a judge decides your citizen's arrest was unwarranted.
- chimeracoder 4y ago> Makes me wonder if anyone has ever been charged with resisting a citizen’s arrest. Citizen's arrest is a state phenomenon, meaning that there it's not one single law but rather a function of a variety of laws in states and which differ between states. That said, most modern citizen's arrest systems in the US trace their origins back to the Civil War era, to provide a way to arrest alleged escaped slaves (emphasis on "alleged"). You can imagine how that played out in practice.
- dikaio 4y ago“Call the Feds” is that sarcasm? If you haven’t read of late the way the federal government uses law enforcement for their own agenda regardless of the US constitution than I will assume calling the feds was made in parody.
- ericmay 4y agoWhat are some specific examples of the "federal government using law enforcement for their own agenda" and what is that specific agenda that they are using law enforcement for?
- rendall 4y agoI believe that equitable sharing of civil forfeiture counts. Locals make a law preventing local cops from seizing cash and property that is not part of a criminal investigation. Local cops bypass that law by working with the Feds. Profit! https://ij.org/issues/private-property/civil-forfeiture/ https://ij.org/issues/private-property/civil-forfeiture/
- ericmay 4y agoWhat's the specific agenda here?
- rendall 4y agoWhat it says right on the tin, man. To bypass local laws that prevent local cops from using civil forfeiture to seize cash and property. Confused by your question.
- ericmay 4y agoOh sure let me try again: The GP stated that > ...the federal government uses law enforcement for their own agenda... Can you just state what the agenda is? It can be general, or it can be specific to civil forfeiture since you brought that as an example.
- Chris2048 4y agoDo citizens get Qualified Immunity? b/c that's the what allows the police to murder you.
- dabluecaboose 4y agoThe 2nd amendment isn't, and literally never was, about hunting.
- sneak 4y agoThe second amendment has been effectively abolished in New York.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y agoPoliticians of bigger metropolitan areas tend to learn quickly that cops are a fairly important power center ( usually come a bigger unrest ). For example, in Chicago, both Lightfoot and her predecessor faced those issues. You have to understand. The relationship is not nearly as straightforward as you make it out to be.
- merrywhether 4y agoI wish the defunding movement had instead focused on moving monetary liability from the city instead to the police union. Let the officers pay higher dues to protect their problematic colleagues from million dollar judgements. I feel like that change would be much more politically viable and also have a strong ripple effect. Right now the solidarity of the thin blue line is free, and I don’t think it would stand up to internalizing that cost.
- tehwebguy 4y agoCivil rights violations done on behalf of the city should not have a cap of some private group’s bank account / insurance policy.
- piuantiderp 4y agoDefunding is the dumbest possible move. You have to align the incentives of the police with those of the middle middle-upper class, anything else is disfunctional will only get worse.
- int_19h 4y agoWhy should incentives of police be aligned with one particular swath of the population that isn't even representative of it?