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Let's see... Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Yup, all right there.

raganwald 15y ago
Yes, but are they wrong? UPDATE: I should make it clear that I didn’t post the text to say I agree with it, but as a service for people like me who tend to read the comments first to decide whether to read the post second :-)
- Animus7 15y ago
  They're probably not wrong. However, I don't have much respect for a giant like Microsoft trying to win over customers with fear tactics instead of with vastly superior products.
  - raganwald 15y ago
    It is difficult for Microsoft’s business actions to lose any further respect in my eyes, as I have so little of it to begin with. However, in this case there are two things: 1. Attack on Google. 2. Appeal to use Microsoft’s products. I’m perfectly ok with agreeing with the substance of point number one while choosing to do my searching with Duckduckgo instead of Google Search,and collaboration with DropBox instead of Google Docs, and so on. So perhaps we are in perfect accord.
- joebadmo 15y ago
  Maybe not wrong exactly, but definitely slimey. This particularly: But, the way they’re doing it is making it harder for you to maintain control of your personal information. That's maybe not strictly wrong, but it's definitely deceptive. In practice, changes to Google's privacy policy are going to make things easier to keep track of for normal users, not harder. They don't actually state anything concretely wrong with anything Google's done. They even admit as much at the beginning of the third paragraph. But then they go on to paint it as somehow bad. I imagine the reason they don't get specific is because MS's privacy policy is probably as bad if not worse. Also: see sek's comment below. In a word: weaselly. I'm a home and work Windows user. I would really prefer if MS stuck to making their products better and telling me about how it's making their products better.
- notatoad 15y ago
  they are wrong if they are trying to imply that they are any different. microsoft makes money by displaying ads on their web properties. google makes money by displaying ads on their web properties. they're both running the same business. microsoft collects your data too. they're no better than google. they're just slightly less competent.
- yanw 15y ago
  Yes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/01/31/on-the-google-privacy-policy-controversy-and-the-fantasy-of-opting-out/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/01/31/on-the-go...
- raganwald 15y ago
  Mr. Raganwald, this is your friend Nickieben Bourbaki. They are mostly right about Google but partially wrong (as explained in another response). They are entirely wrong about it being a good idea about trying their products (also explained in another response). But more interestingly, they are entirely wrong about their business strategy here. FUD was perfected by IBM when they were the Goliath of computing. When you’re the consensus #1, you are the safe choice. Therefore, if you can make something else appear unsafe, you are going to drive customers to your “safe haven.” In search and data collection, Is Microsoft a safe haven? No. In the eyes of the marketplace, Google probably is, even if nerds and privacy wonks don’t agree. FUD is something Google could probably get away with, but it is going to backfire as a business tactic for Microsoft. Although idealists like yourself would love it if users left both services for alternatives like Duckduckgo, what will actually happen is that anyone who reads the ads and becomes aware that these giant companies are collecting personal data is going to decide to go with someone they trust. Right now, that’s Google, not Microsoft. This is especially true in technical circles where Microsoft has absolutely zero moral credibility. Therefore, I suggest to you that yes, they may be right about Google in some respects, but this is the wrong ad to run for Microsoft the business. p.s. Next time, lock your screen before going for espresso :-)
  - joebadmo 15y ago
    One of my least favorite things about working where I work (for another two days) is that I have to lock my screen all the time.

Yes, but are they wrong? UPDATE: I should make it clear that I didn’t post the text to say I agree with it, but as a service for people like me who tend to read the comments first to decide whether to read the post second :-)

Animus7 15y ago
They're probably not wrong. However, I don't have much respect for a giant like Microsoft trying to win over customers with fear tactics instead of with vastly superior products.
- raganwald 15y ago
  It is difficult for Microsoft’s business actions to lose any further respect in my eyes, as I have so little of it to begin with. However, in this case there are two things: 1. Attack on Google. 2. Appeal to use Microsoft’s products. I’m perfectly ok with agreeing with the substance of point number one while choosing to do my searching with Duckduckgo instead of Google Search,and collaboration with DropBox instead of Google Docs, and so on. So perhaps we are in perfect accord.
joebadmo 15y ago
Maybe not wrong exactly, but definitely slimey. This particularly: But, the way they’re doing it is making it harder for you to maintain control of your personal information. That's maybe not strictly wrong, but it's definitely deceptive. In practice, changes to Google's privacy policy are going to make things easier to keep track of for normal users, not harder. They don't actually state anything concretely wrong with anything Google's done. They even admit as much at the beginning of the third paragraph. But then they go on to paint it as somehow bad. I imagine the reason they don't get specific is because MS's privacy policy is probably as bad if not worse. Also: see sek's comment below. In a word: weaselly. I'm a home and work Windows user. I would really prefer if MS stuck to making their products better and telling me about how it's making their products better.
notatoad 15y ago
they are wrong if they are trying to imply that they are any different. microsoft makes money by displaying ads on their web properties. google makes money by displaying ads on their web properties. they're both running the same business. microsoft collects your data too. they're no better than google. they're just slightly less competent.
yanw 15y ago
Yes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/01/31/on-the-google-privacy-policy-controversy-and-the-fantasy-of-opting-out/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/01/31/on-the-go...
raganwald 15y ago
Mr. Raganwald, this is your friend Nickieben Bourbaki. They are mostly right about Google but partially wrong (as explained in another response). They are entirely wrong about it being a good idea about trying their products (also explained in another response). But more interestingly, they are entirely wrong about their business strategy here. FUD was perfected by IBM when they were the Goliath of computing. When you’re the consensus #1, you are the safe choice. Therefore, if you can make something else appear unsafe, you are going to drive customers to your “safe haven.” In search and data collection, Is Microsoft a safe haven? No. In the eyes of the marketplace, Google probably is, even if nerds and privacy wonks don’t agree. FUD is something Google could probably get away with, but it is going to backfire as a business tactic for Microsoft. Although idealists like yourself would love it if users left both services for alternatives like Duckduckgo, what will actually happen is that anyone who reads the ads and becomes aware that these giant companies are collecting personal data is going to decide to go with someone they trust. Right now, that’s Google, not Microsoft. This is especially true in technical circles where Microsoft has absolutely zero moral credibility. Therefore, I suggest to you that yes, they may be right about Google in some respects, but this is the wrong ad to run for Microsoft the business. p.s. Next time, lock your screen before going for espresso :-)
- joebadmo 15y ago
  One of my least favorite things about working where I work (for another two days) is that I have to lock my screen all the time.