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> The truth is you could pin a charge on a large percentage of politicians if you were determined to. I mean... great, let's do that. If they're all committing

> The truth is you could pin a charge on a large percentage of politicians if you were determined to. I mean... great, let's do that. If they're all committing crimes, let's start arresting them until they stop. That's how they treat us after all.

calvinmorrison 4y ago
Yes, but first we should arrest trump, we promise we'll arrest pelosi and the other scoundrels later!
- ModernMech 4y ago
  Gotta start somewhere... the guy who has been identified as an unindicted co-conspirator in this very crime is as good as any.
  - adamrezich 4y ago
    if we "gotta start somewhere", why are we starting with someone who is an outsider to the bipartisan political in-group? assume this prosecution is successful—are we really to believe that then, thereafter, members of the bipartisan political in-group will somehow receive equal scrutiny? upon what basis should we assume this eventual justice will occur? it should be clear to any sufficiently neutral observer that this is nothing more than making an example out of a problematic political outsider for daring to run for President again. this is not the start of some great wave of justice on behalf of the people, against the entrenched bipartisan political in-group class.
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      He's the former POTUS and defacto leader of the Republican party, commanding the majority of support from the Republicans, and receives pledges of fealty and defense from elected Republicans at all levels of government. Trump is the definition of a political insider.
      - adamrezich 4y ago
        > Trump is the definition of a political insider. right, which is why the 2016 Republican nomination debates had a record number of debaters on stage—they really just wanted to provide maximum contrast against their favored candidate to make him more electable, you see, not because they were doing everything they could to dismantle his candidacy, or anything like that. Trump also got along with every other Republican 100% of the time, and never had beef with any of them, especially the most entrenched ones, like the torchbearers of various entrenched Republican political dynasties, such as the Bushes. it's really amusing to me that anyone can pretend to objectively view the sequence of events of the past seven years and come away with the conclusion that Donald Trump is "the definition of a political insider", when the opposite is so blatantly, obviously true. you don't need to be a fan of the guy or his politics to see that he is most definitely an outsider compared to the rest of the entrenched political class, and in fact that is most of the source of his appeal. if Trump is really a political insider, then why did he get indicted for something that is objectively small potatoes compared to crimes of other federally-elected officials? why didn't his entrenched brethren cover for him, as they have for so many others, in both parties? surely if you can get Bush and Obama in the clear for their demonstrable war crimes, covering up for paying off a porn star should be simple and straightforward? if the Democrats really wanted to take the GOP down a peg, they would've indicted Bush (and much of his cabinet) on war crimes. if the GOP really wanted to take the Democrats down a peg, they would've indicted Obama (and most of the rest of his cabinet, including HRC) on war crimes. but neither of those things happened, because the entrenched political class goes easy on each other when it comes to anything more than spouting rhetoric at the podium, or as a talking head on television. only Trump has been uniquely attacked in this way, not for the scale or impact of his alleged crimes, but simply because he's an unwanted foreign body in the federal government, and antibodies must be deployed to dispose of him. again: none of this analysis is predicated upon liking Donald Trump, wanting him to be President, finding him to be of strong moral fiber, agreeing with him politically, or anything like that. rather, one must simply look at the manner the entrenched political class reacted to his running for President, and eventual election—the man clearly has few true friends in Washington.
        ModernMech 4y ago

calvinmorrison 4y ago

Yes, but first we should arrest trump, we promise we'll arrest pelosi and the other scoundrels later!

ModernMech 4y ago
Gotta start somewhere... the guy who has been identified as an unindicted co-conspirator in this very crime is as good as any.
- adamrezich 4y ago
  if we "gotta start somewhere", why are we starting with someone who is an outsider to the bipartisan political in-group? assume this prosecution is successful—are we really to believe that then, thereafter, members of the bipartisan political in-group will somehow receive equal scrutiny? upon what basis should we assume this eventual justice will occur? it should be clear to any sufficiently neutral observer that this is nothing more than making an example out of a problematic political outsider for daring to run for President again. this is not the start of some great wave of justice on behalf of the people, against the entrenched bipartisan political in-group class.
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    He's the former POTUS and defacto leader of the Republican party, commanding the majority of support from the Republicans, and receives pledges of fealty and defense from elected Republicans at all levels of government. Trump is the definition of a political insider.
    - adamrezich 4y ago
      > Trump is the definition of a political insider. right, which is why the 2016 Republican nomination debates had a record number of debaters on stage—they really just wanted to provide maximum contrast against their favored candidate to make him more electable, you see, not because they were doing everything they could to dismantle his candidacy, or anything like that. Trump also got along with every other Republican 100% of the time, and never had beef with any of them, especially the most entrenched ones, like the torchbearers of various entrenched Republican political dynasties, such as the Bushes. it's really amusing to me that anyone can pretend to objectively view the sequence of events of the past seven years and come away with the conclusion that Donald Trump is "the definition of a political insider", when the opposite is so blatantly, obviously true. you don't need to be a fan of the guy or his politics to see that he is most definitely an outsider compared to the rest of the entrenched political class, and in fact that is most of the source of his appeal. if Trump is really a political insider, then why did he get indicted for something that is objectively small potatoes compared to crimes of other federally-elected officials? why didn't his entrenched brethren cover for him, as they have for so many others, in both parties? surely if you can get Bush and Obama in the clear for their demonstrable war crimes, covering up for paying off a porn star should be simple and straightforward? if the Democrats really wanted to take the GOP down a peg, they would've indicted Bush (and much of his cabinet) on war crimes. if the GOP really wanted to take the Democrats down a peg, they would've indicted Obama (and most of the rest of his cabinet, including HRC) on war crimes. but neither of those things happened, because the entrenched political class goes easy on each other when it comes to anything more than spouting rhetoric at the podium, or as a talking head on television. only Trump has been uniquely attacked in this way, not for the scale or impact of his alleged crimes, but simply because he's an unwanted foreign body in the federal government, and antibodies must be deployed to dispose of him. again: none of this analysis is predicated upon liking Donald Trump, wanting him to be President, finding him to be of strong moral fiber, agreeing with him politically, or anything like that. rather, one must simply look at the manner the entrenched political class reacted to his running for President, and eventual election—the man clearly has few true friends in Washington.
      - ModernMech 4y ago