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> Nobody is touching other countries' servers. Not even close. No one claimed otherwise. It's still fascinating (and, I believe, a first) that the EU thinks t

> Nobody is touching other countries' servers. Not even close. No one claimed otherwise. It's still fascinating (and, I believe, a first) that the EU thinks they have extraterritorial jurisdiction just because their citizens are affected.

amadvance 4y ago
It's not extraterritorial. If an international company wants to sell goods or services in a country, it must abide by the country's laws.
- PrimeMcFly 4y ago
  Nope. If I want to sell data in the EU, I can. I'm not subject to their laws unless I have a presence there. GDPR tries to change that. See https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-extraterritorial-applicability.html https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-ext...
  - yibg 4y ago
    Why is shipping data different? If a certain drug is illegal in the country but not yours do you think you should be allow to sell and ship the drug over?
    - Zurrrrr 4y ago
      I mean, drugs would be a problem in both the sending and receiving country, often for both sender and receiver if caught. This is more like me deciding to try and sue people in other countries because they said something I didn't like on the internet.
jacquesm 4y ago
The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected. In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk, and given that the penalties can be pretty serious I would caution against this without having consulted with a lawyer. Note that I'm perfectly fine with the EU protecting the rights of its citizens, being one of those myself, and that I'm also perfectly fine with the US protecting the rights of its citizens. I'm a bit weirded out by how the US taxes its nationals even when they live abroad but if that's the law then that's how it is for now.
- PrimeMcFly 4y ago
  > The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected. So what? We're discussing the GDPR. Pretty sure the US has no similar law at all. GDPR was considered a first. > In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk You're trying to compare GDPR to general prinicples and it doesn't work. GDPR was a new type of law. See https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-extraterritorial-applicability.html https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-ext... "Let’s say for example that you are a Chinese web shop with a website that is available in German, French and English as well. You also process multiple orders a day from individuals within the EU and ship your products to them. This will make you fall in the scope of the GDPR, even though you have no establishment in the EU and are not performing any data processing activities within the EU." Yeah, that's unprecedented.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    > Pretty sure the US has no similar law at all. https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa > You're trying to compare GDPR to general prinicples and it doesn't work. GDPR was a new type of law. No, it's a law like every other. You abide by it or you end up dealing with the business end. > "Let’s say for example that you are a Chinese web shop with a website that is available in German, French and English as well. You also process multiple orders a day from individuals within the EU and ship your products to them. This will make you fall in the scope of the GDPR, even though you have no establishment in the EU and are not performing any data processing activities within the EU." > Yeah, that's unprecedented. No, it isn't unprecedented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enforcement_Act_of_2006 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enf... And that's before we get to AML and ATF legislation that the US has enacted and basically enforced all of the world of finance.
    - PrimeMcFly 4y ago
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drexlspivey 4y ago
Didn’t the US bring a law to ban TikTok this week?

amadvance 4y ago

It's not extraterritorial. If an international company wants to sell goods or services in a country, it must abide by the country's laws.

PrimeMcFly 4y ago
Nope. If I want to sell data in the EU, I can. I'm not subject to their laws unless I have a presence there. GDPR tries to change that. See https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-extraterritorial-applicability.html https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-ext...
- yibg 4y ago
  Why is shipping data different? If a certain drug is illegal in the country but not yours do you think you should be allow to sell and ship the drug over?
  - Zurrrrr 4y ago
    I mean, drugs would be a problem in both the sending and receiving country, often for both sender and receiver if caught. This is more like me deciding to try and sue people in other countries because they said something I didn't like on the internet.

jacquesm 4y ago

The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected. In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk, and given that the penalties can be pretty serious I would caution against this without having consulted with a lawyer. Note that I'm perfectly fine with the EU protecting the rights of its citizens, being one of those myself, and that I'm also perfectly fine with the US protecting the rights of its citizens. I'm a bit weirded out by how the US taxes its nationals even when they live abroad but if that's the law then that's how it is for now.

PrimeMcFly 4y ago
> The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected. So what? We're discussing the GDPR. Pretty sure the US has no similar law at all. GDPR was considered a first. > In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk You're trying to compare GDPR to general prinicples and it doesn't work. GDPR was a new type of law. See https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-extraterritorial-applicability.html https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-ext... "Let’s say for example that you are a Chinese web shop with a website that is available in German, French and English as well. You also process multiple orders a day from individuals within the EU and ship your products to them. This will make you fall in the scope of the GDPR, even though you have no establishment in the EU and are not performing any data processing activities within the EU." Yeah, that's unprecedented.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  > Pretty sure the US has no similar law at all. https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa > You're trying to compare GDPR to general prinicples and it doesn't work. GDPR was a new type of law. No, it's a law like every other. You abide by it or you end up dealing with the business end. > "Let’s say for example that you are a Chinese web shop with a website that is available in German, French and English as well. You also process multiple orders a day from individuals within the EU and ship your products to them. This will make you fall in the scope of the GDPR, even though you have no establishment in the EU and are not performing any data processing activities within the EU." > Yeah, that's unprecedented. No, it isn't unprecedented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enforcement_Act_of_2006 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enf... And that's before we get to AML and ATF legislation that the US has enacted and basically enforced all of the world of finance.
  - PrimeMcFly 4y ago
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drexlspivey 4y ago

Didn’t the US bring a law to ban TikTok this week?