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Everyone who opposes Silicon Valley is a fascist? Meloni hasn't really done much and appeases the EU on most issues. Berlusconi was already called a fascist 20

by ztracf 4y ago

Everyone who opposes Silicon Valley is a fascist? Meloni hasn't really done much and appeases the EU on most issues. Berlusconi was already called a fascist 20 years ago. If Italy has a problem, it is too much bureaucracy, not fascism.

chatmasta 4y ago
It's authoritarian to prevent their citizens from using a tool that makes them more productive and gives them a way to explore a new technology. Imagine if Italy banned Google searches in 2002. Actually, China did that and we rightfully called them authoritarian then, just like we should call Italy authoritarian now.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  …right, all of the world should give away their secrets for training purposes to make OpenAI more money ? Give me a break…
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    If someone wants to "give away their secrets", it is authoritarian to tell them they can't.
    - ChatGTP 4y ago
      but it goes both ways, I should also have access to technology without having to give away my secrets :)
- thefz 4y ago
  Nope, it's enforcing an EU directive. Read up GDPR. Italy is actually trying to protect its citizens.
  - chatmasta 4y ago
    If I were an Italian citizen I wouldn't feel very protected if I were blocked from accessing software I wanted to use.
    - Zurrrrr 4y ago
      Nothing is more freeing than having Nanny making all your decisions for you.
  - mike_hearn 4y ago
    China claims its firewall is about protecting its citizens too. How is it different?
    - mftrhu 4y ago
      How is it the same? Is it because both sentences contain the word "claim" in them, do you disagree about the Garante acting to enforce an EU directive, or what?
      - mike_hearn 4y ago
        I mean that China justifies their firewall by saying it's for the protection of their citizens, which is the same justification given here for Italy wanting to block ChatGPT. If you're saying that Italy is truthful about their reasoning but China isn't, what sort of process is being used to determine that?
        mftrhu 4y ago
        > If you're saying that Italy is truthful about their reasoning but China isn't, what sort of process is being used to determine that? I don't know. What sort of reasoning lead to your initial claim?
  - pb7 4y ago
    Italy is definitely succeeding at protecting its citizens from entering the 21st century. Let’s be real here. Italy is a dinosaur and scared shitless of change. ChatGPT, lab grown meat, immigration, the list will only get longer.

by ztracf 4y ago

chatmasta 4y ago

It's authoritarian to prevent their citizens from using a tool that makes them more productive and gives them a way to explore a new technology. Imagine if Italy banned Google searches in 2002. Actually, China did that and we rightfully called them authoritarian then, just like we should call Italy authoritarian now.

ChatGTP 4y ago
…right, all of the world should give away their secrets for training purposes to make OpenAI more money ? Give me a break…
- Karunamon 4y ago
  If someone wants to "give away their secrets", it is authoritarian to tell them they can't.
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    but it goes both ways, I should also have access to technology without having to give away my secrets :)
thefz 4y ago
Nope, it's enforcing an EU directive. Read up GDPR. Italy is actually trying to protect its citizens.
- chatmasta 4y ago
  If I were an Italian citizen I wouldn't feel very protected if I were blocked from accessing software I wanted to use.
  - Zurrrrr 4y ago
    Nothing is more freeing than having Nanny making all your decisions for you.
- mike_hearn 4y ago
  China claims its firewall is about protecting its citizens too. How is it different?
  - mftrhu 4y ago
    How is it the same? Is it because both sentences contain the word "claim" in them, do you disagree about the Garante acting to enforce an EU directive, or what?
    - mike_hearn 4y ago
      I mean that China justifies their firewall by saying it's for the protection of their citizens, which is the same justification given here for Italy wanting to block ChatGPT. If you're saying that Italy is truthful about their reasoning but China isn't, what sort of process is being used to determine that?
      - mftrhu 4y ago
        > If you're saying that Italy is truthful about their reasoning but China isn't, what sort of process is being used to determine that? I don't know. What sort of reasoning lead to your initial claim?
- pb7 4y ago
  Italy is definitely succeeding at protecting its citizens from entering the 21st century. Let’s be real here. Italy is a dinosaur and scared shitless of change. ChatGPT, lab grown meat, immigration, the list will only get longer.