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They're not banning it just because its AI. They're banning it because it sends sensitive data to Microsoft without the user's consent.

SanderNL 4y ago
The user is doing it. They are literally typing it. They are consenting to this. We don't need "watchdogs" "protecting" us from stuff we want to do ourselves.
- bjornsing 4y ago
  > We don't need "watchdogs" "protecting" us from stuff we want to do ourselves. I fully agree. But do Europeans in general? Where I am (Sweden) the whole point of politics seems to be to “protect” us from ourselves.
  - baxtr 4y ago
    That's actually the sad message being conveyed by this, right? "You are so dumb, you need to be protected by the state doing stupid things with your data."
    - SanderNL 4y ago
      And I get it and usually agree. Some things are dangerous, like toxic materials I don't know about and cannot know about. I expect some agency to protect me, because in this domain I am too stupid. Oh wait.. the whole world is not a developer. I can definitely see how some people need protection here. Even developers are inputting sensitive code and info about their work. Weird times.
      - bjornsing 4y ago
        The difference is that no reasonable person wants to eat poison, but it’s completely rational to want to use OpenAI’s models on the terms they are offered.
        SanderNL 4y ago
        True, but my point was directed towards toxins I cannot know about. Chemicals added to food and medicines and such. There is loads I - as a layperson - cannot know about safety. My guess is the same is true for "internet stuff". Something we are intimitately aware of, but we are a minority (and we still mess up).
      - perryizgr8 4y ago
        > Some things are dangerous, like toxic materials I don't know about and cannot know about. You don't need regulation for companies to tell you that a product contains a harmful substance. You just need a functioning legal system.
- sharken 4y ago
  This is a very sensible take that i fully support, too bad the Italians do not, it's their loss.
- maigret 4y ago
  You'd be surprised how many users don't understand what's behind the scenes. Very often it's knowingly obfuscated by the companies. I doubt many of the users understand their input is becoming part of the future models. Keep dunking on GDPR but I really enjoy having it locally and see the day to day advantages this brings to my life. This puts me as a user in control of the data I give to a business. "Take it or leave it" is too weak of an option IMO.

SanderNL 4y ago

The user is doing it. They are literally typing it. They are consenting to this. We don't need "watchdogs" "protecting" us from stuff we want to do ourselves.

bjornsing 4y ago
> We don't need "watchdogs" "protecting" us from stuff we want to do ourselves. I fully agree. But do Europeans in general? Where I am (Sweden) the whole point of politics seems to be to “protect” us from ourselves.
- baxtr 4y ago
  That's actually the sad message being conveyed by this, right? "You are so dumb, you need to be protected by the state doing stupid things with your data."
  - SanderNL 4y ago
    And I get it and usually agree. Some things are dangerous, like toxic materials I don't know about and cannot know about. I expect some agency to protect me, because in this domain I am too stupid. Oh wait.. the whole world is not a developer. I can definitely see how some people need protection here. Even developers are inputting sensitive code and info about their work. Weird times.
    - bjornsing 4y ago
      The difference is that no reasonable person wants to eat poison, but it’s completely rational to want to use OpenAI’s models on the terms they are offered.
      - SanderNL 4y ago
        True, but my point was directed towards toxins I cannot know about. Chemicals added to food and medicines and such. There is loads I - as a layperson - cannot know about safety. My guess is the same is true for "internet stuff". Something we are intimitately aware of, but we are a minority (and we still mess up).
    - perryizgr8 4y ago
      > Some things are dangerous, like toxic materials I don't know about and cannot know about. You don't need regulation for companies to tell you that a product contains a harmful substance. You just need a functioning legal system.
sharken 4y ago
This is a very sensible take that i fully support, too bad the Italians do not, it's their loss.
maigret 4y ago
You'd be surprised how many users don't understand what's behind the scenes. Very often it's knowingly obfuscated by the companies. I doubt many of the users understand their input is becoming part of the future models. Keep dunking on GDPR but I really enjoy having it locally and see the day to day advantages this brings to my life. This puts me as a user in control of the data I give to a business. "Take it or leave it" is too weak of an option IMO.