4 ms·

The GDPR has extensive requirements that can't be met by ChatGPT because it's training on public data sources everywhere.

by jprete 4y ago

menzoic 4y ago
"Public" data sources aren't in conflict with GDPR
- blibble 4y ago
  how do I enforce my right to have my personal data updated/forgotten with a neural network? or test it has been implemented?
  - moffkalast 4y ago
    How do you even test that it has it in the first place?
slowmotiony 4y ago
If they're in violation of EU privacy laws then how are they not fined for it or outright banned? I got a fine from the local court in Germany because I put a google maps widget on my company's "about us" page, the court gave me 30 days to remove it.
- lm28469 4y ago
  Can you show us the exact document you received ? I very much doubt it happened the way you describe it, you're probably omitting very important details
  - zaroth 4y ago
    I’d believe it. Apparently you can’t use any 3rd party service that might expose merely an IP address thru a network request directly from the client. A map widget would do that.
    - swores 4y ago
      I think the scepticism comes from the fact that there haven't been many stories about small businesses being hit with GDPR violations as minor as that; not that it's not a technically, feasibly valid story. So while I won't join in the assumption that the story was a lie/exaggeration, I am equally interested in getting the full details because I'd like to know if it's the case that minor violations like that actually are being enforced.
      - slowmotiony 4y ago
        https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/german-website-fined-100-euros-after-court-says-googles-font-library-violates-gdpr/ https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/german-websi... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-google-fonts-abmahnung-dsgvo-1.5693225 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-google-fonts-a...
        swores 4y ago
        Thanks!
    - lm28469 4y ago
      You can as long as you ask for consent. In which case the detail OP ommited would be that they did not in fact ask for consent
      - slowmotiony 4y ago
        That's exactly what the fine was for - apparently I should have displayed a prompt and asked the user if he allows to see a google maps widget. It's definitely my fault but to my defence I've never seen anything like this on any website in my life.
  - slowmotiony 4y ago
    Obviously not but there are some similar stories in local media, in this case it was a google font, but you'd get a similar fine for adobe typekit or whatever else that's located on a US server or cdn. https://www.bds-bayern.de/abmahnungen-wegegen-google-fonts/ https://www.bds-bayern.de/abmahnungen-wegegen-google-fonts/ https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-google-fonts-abmahnung-dsgvo-1.5693225 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-google-fonts-a...
- kill_nate_kill 4y ago
  Did you try paying millions of dollars to lawyers?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > how are they not fined for it or outright banned Does OpenAI have a legal presence in Europe? If not, there isn't an enforcement channel. I suppose they could block EU IPs, but until enforcement is threatened they have better things to focus on.

The GDPR has extensive requirements that can't be met by ChatGPT because it's training on public data sources everywhere.

by jprete 4y ago

The GDPR has extensive requirements that can't be met by ChatGPT because it's training on public data sources everywhere.

menzoic 4y ago

"Public" data sources aren't in conflict with GDPR

blibble 4y ago
how do I enforce my right to have my personal data updated/forgotten with a neural network? or test it has been implemented?
- moffkalast 4y ago
  How do you even test that it has it in the first place?

slowmotiony 4y ago

If they're in violation of EU privacy laws then how are they not fined for it or outright banned? I got a fine from the local court in Germany because I put a google maps widget on my company's "about us" page, the court gave me 30 days to remove it.

lm28469 4y ago
Can you show us the exact document you received ? I very much doubt it happened the way you describe it, you're probably omitting very important details
- zaroth 4y ago
  I’d believe it. Apparently you can’t use any 3rd party service that might expose merely an IP address thru a network request directly from the client. A map widget would do that.
  - swores 4y ago
    I think the scepticism comes from the fact that there haven't been many stories about small businesses being hit with GDPR violations as minor as that; not that it's not a technically, feasibly valid story. So while I won't join in the assumption that the story was a lie/exaggeration, I am equally interested in getting the full details because I'd like to know if it's the case that minor violations like that actually are being enforced.
    - slowmotiony 4y ago
      https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/german-website-fined-100-euros-after-court-says-googles-font-library-violates-gdpr/ https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/german-websi... https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-google-fonts-abmahnung-dsgvo-1.5693225 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-google-fonts-a...
      - swores 4y ago
        Thanks!
  - lm28469 4y ago
    You can as long as you ask for consent. In which case the detail OP ommited would be that they did not in fact ask for consent
    - slowmotiony 4y ago
      That's exactly what the fine was for - apparently I should have displayed a prompt and asked the user if he allows to see a google maps widget. It's definitely my fault but to my defence I've never seen anything like this on any website in my life.
- slowmotiony 4y ago
  Obviously not but there are some similar stories in local media, in this case it was a google font, but you'd get a similar fine for adobe typekit or whatever else that's located on a US server or cdn. https://www.bds-bayern.de/abmahnungen-wegegen-google-fonts/ https://www.bds-bayern.de/abmahnungen-wegegen-google-fonts/ https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-google-fonts-abmahnung-dsgvo-1.5693225 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-google-fonts-a...
kill_nate_kill 4y ago
Did you try paying millions of dollars to lawyers?
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> how are they not fined for it or outright banned Does OpenAI have a legal presence in Europe? If not, there isn't an enforcement channel. I suppose they could block EU IPs, but until enforcement is threatened they have better things to focus on.