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Because they wanted hydrogen, not electric.
by anthonyskipper 4y ago
Because they wanted hydrogen, not electric.
- clouddrover 4y agoHydrogen fuel cell vehicles are electric vehicles.
- rbanffy 4y agoJust not very practical ones.
- pjc50 4y agoNo, they're natural gas vehicles.
- Incipient 4y agoThey use hydrogen to produce electricity in a fuel cell, so are by definition, electric cars. Unlike natural gas which powers a car by combustion.
- pjc50 4y agoThe hydrogen comes from natural gas. (It can come from electrolysis, but in practice doesn't)
- mrguyorama 4y agoBy that accounting many BEVs aren't electric either.
- otterley 4y agoThat’s like saying a diesel-electric train is an electric vehicle because electric motors power the drive wheels. However, this conclusion ignores the fact the electricity is produced by combusting fossil fuel in an onboard generator.
- elteto 4y ago> That’s like saying a diesel-electric train is an electric vehicle because electric motors power the drive wheels. ...and nuclear submarines are just IP69 steam locomotives :)
- clouddrover 4y agoHydrogen fuel cell vehicles do not combust the hydrogen. A fuel cell converts chemical energy to electricity. Batteries also convert chemical energy to electricity.
- mrguyorama 4y agoI think technically the process of oxidizing the hydrogen into H2O IS combustion hah
- otterley 4y agoRemember that we're focused on mainly on climate impact here, not whether electricity is involved per se as an energy conduit or storage form. The hydrogen used to fuel an FCV has to come from somewhere, and hydrogen is generally produced from hydrocarbons using the catalytic steam-hydrocarbon process. This typically uses fossil fuels like natural gas or methane as an input, and produces CO2 as a byproduct alongside the H2. Compare with BEVs, where the energy used to power the motors can come from clean solar, wind, nuclear, or geothermal generation, without creating (as much) CO2 byproduct. (Yes, there are CO2 byproducts of producing power plants, but the goal is to minimize excess CO2 production, not eliminate it entirely.)
- panick21_ 4y agoThey also don't actually exist in any numbers that actually matters in the real world.
- clouddrover 4y agoWhat a bizarre thing to say.
- panick21_ 4y agoNo its not. A technology that has existed since the 70s. Had major, major supports from government, specially Japan. And yet the largest car company in the world can't sell more then a few 1000s. Its embracing failure on every level. So when people in the real world say 'electric' they are of course referring to BEV because those are getting sold in the millions and you see them every day, while hydrogen electric is a basically a fantasy thing that 99.9% of people have never even seen. So the smart as response of 'hydrogen vehicles are electric' is a typical "your not wrong but nobody will want to talk to you at parties" response.
- clouddrover 4y ago> No its not. Yes, it is. > while hydrogen electric is a basically a fantasy thing No, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are practical realities. Planes: https://labusinessjournal.com/transportation/aviation/universal-hydrogen-reaches-milestone/ https://labusinessjournal.com/transportation/aviation/univer... Trains: https://newatlas.com/transport/china-hydrogen-supercapacitor-train/ https://newatlas.com/transport/china-hydrogen-supercapacitor... Automobiles: https://www.greencarcongress.com/2023/02/20230219-solaris.html https://www.greencarcongress.com/2023/02/20230219-solaris.ht...
- panick21_ 4y agoYou literally don't have a argument against what I sad so you went to the lowest level form of argument, taking a part of what I wrote, then deliberately misinterpreted it away from its context. You are clearly arguing in bad faith. Bye.