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I get this. With anything from the core classical repertoire, the obvious major composers, to a good listener, you almost already know the piece before you lear
by Kaijo 4y ago
I get this. With anything from the core classical repertoire, the obvious major composers, to a good listener, you almost already know the piece before you learn it. With jazz standards too, but there is much more flexibility required in actually rendering them.
Part of the article seems to be confirming a neurobiological basis for something quite common-sensical to me.
From how you describe your issue I suspect there are things from the more recent classical repertoire that would stump you beyond the level of Bill Evans transcriptions. Bill Evans is still at least in a relatively "accessible/listenable" harmonic idiom.
Have you tried reading through any atonal/serial works of the Second Viennese School? Or 20th century classical composers like Ligeti, Elliott Carter, or contemporary pieces like Unsuk Chin's piano etudes, or Birtwistle's "Clocks"? I'm a good sight reader too but that's where I really hit a wall. This is music that provokes a strong negative reaction in many people. In the language of the article, their sensory expectations are defied. I think to really love this music (as I really do), you will have had to grapple with and deeply internalize things about compositional structure, so that what is a theme, a countersubject, a commentary, a development, an ornamentation, a point of rhythmic or textural elaboration, etc. are all still readily evident to the ear, and thus satisfy the ear, even if it's all occuring in an alien harmonic context.
- Agingcoder 4y agoThanks a lot for the suggestions, I'll definitely listen to them /try to play them. I'm fine with 'difficult' music, and I agree with you that Bill Evans is accessible/listenable - what bothers me I think is that I can't predict the actual notes (quartal, 11th, etc everywhere). Edit: I really like ligeti.
- Kaijo 4y agoHope it leads to somewhere interesting for you! Unsuk Chin is in the school of Ligeti, perhaps try this magical little thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP31oUljA_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP31oUljA_g Yeah jazz is definitely it's own language, not just an extension of classical harmony as some would have it. Classical provides a model that makes jazz highly unlikely. I'm still figuring out what I can say in words about the difference. Something about freedom vs. structure in relation to the scope of expression. But you have to get used to hearing those non-triad notes as fundamental, not just as "passing", and a feeling for what idiomatic progressions are implicated by that.