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If this is perceived to be a weak case, will this help Trump in his election campaign? I understand even his loyal voter base are now sometimes embarrassed by

If this is perceived to be a weak case, will this help Trump in his election campaign? I understand even his loyal voter base are now sometimes embarrassed by his actions. For example, him storing confidential papers at Mar-a-Lago after his presidency finished. That is different from when he was first elected as President. At that time he couldn't do anything wrong. I am sure the right wing press will spin this as a witch hunt, but will it fly with the voters on the ground? Does anyone have more insight in this?

ModernMech 4y ago
> If this is perceived to be a weak case, will this help Trump in his election campaign? Trump organized a violent coup against his own government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to his political rival. So will his indictment over an unrelated crime help his campaign? No. It's hosed from the start. Because he organized a coup against the government, and everyone saw it on TV.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Unfortunately a lot of people are HAPPY he did those things
  - srotajuu 4y ago
    About 40% of those who are politically engaged, which is pretty consistent with his popular vote share of 45-47%, to his opponents' 48-51%. It'll come down to the campaigns and the electoral college. He is not sure to be defeated but he will continue to be an underdog unless he broadens his message.
norwalkbear 4y ago
It's weak case that has unified the party and base around Trump. Desantis fought with Trump two days ago, is now about him like a dear friend. If they couldn't get anything on Trump for J6, then they have nothing, and it's all witch hunts here. Bragg literally campaigned on arresting Trump too.
- kashunstva 4y ago
  > It's [a] weak case Without knowing the evidence presented to the grand jury, nor the charges on the indictment, it's hard to judge the strength or weakness of the prosecution's case again the man. > If they couldn't get anything on Trump for J6, then they have nothing, and it's all witch hunts here "They" are different prosecutors in different jurisdictions investigating different potential crimes. I don't see how it's possible to conclude that if evidence is lacking in one or more cases, that it's categorically improbable for this man to have committed crimes relative to any and all cases. In essence, you are claiming that lacking evidence of a causal connection to the events of January 6, we are to conclude that any criminal investigations involving this man in unrelated matters must likewise be baseless. This is illogical.
srotajuu 4y ago
Might help him in the primary, but Trump's performance in the general election in 2020 fell pretty dramatically from 2016. The margin of popular vote victory for his opponent was much wider in 2020. People who gave Trump a chance in 2016, or stayed home because they didn't think he'd be that bad, changed their minds in 2020. Persuadable voters in Michigan and Wisconsin who moved away from Trump are not more likely to vote for him because he was arrested. The grievance politics works exceptionally well among a certain block of voters, but he needs to make gains beyond this block if he wants to win. There's just not enough of them.

ModernMech 4y ago

> If this is perceived to be a weak case, will this help Trump in his election campaign? Trump organized a violent coup against his own government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to his political rival. So will his indictment over an unrelated crime help his campaign? No. It's hosed from the start. Because he organized a coup against the government, and everyone saw it on TV.

mrguyorama 4y ago
Unfortunately a lot of people are HAPPY he did those things
- srotajuu 4y ago
  About 40% of those who are politically engaged, which is pretty consistent with his popular vote share of 45-47%, to his opponents' 48-51%. It'll come down to the campaigns and the electoral college. He is not sure to be defeated but he will continue to be an underdog unless he broadens his message.

norwalkbear 4y ago

It's weak case that has unified the party and base around Trump. Desantis fought with Trump two days ago, is now about him like a dear friend. If they couldn't get anything on Trump for J6, then they have nothing, and it's all witch hunts here. Bragg literally campaigned on arresting Trump too.

kashunstva 4y ago
> It's [a] weak case Without knowing the evidence presented to the grand jury, nor the charges on the indictment, it's hard to judge the strength or weakness of the prosecution's case again the man. > If they couldn't get anything on Trump for J6, then they have nothing, and it's all witch hunts here "They" are different prosecutors in different jurisdictions investigating different potential crimes. I don't see how it's possible to conclude that if evidence is lacking in one or more cases, that it's categorically improbable for this man to have committed crimes relative to any and all cases. In essence, you are claiming that lacking evidence of a causal connection to the events of January 6, we are to conclude that any criminal investigations involving this man in unrelated matters must likewise be baseless. This is illogical.

srotajuu 4y ago

Might help him in the primary, but Trump's performance in the general election in 2020 fell pretty dramatically from 2016. The margin of popular vote victory for his opponent was much wider in 2020. People who gave Trump a chance in 2016, or stayed home because they didn't think he'd be that bad, changed their minds in 2020. Persuadable voters in Michigan and Wisconsin who moved away from Trump are not more likely to vote for him because he was arrested. The grievance politics works exceptionally well among a certain block of voters, but he needs to make gains beyond this block if he wants to win. There's just not enough of them.