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What about the 15 years of behavioural data they already hold? Can we request that is deleted?

hutzlibu 4y ago
I would say, you can request anything from them. Like I request people to just not use FB anymore, if they don't want to be tracked by them. Might have the same effect.
- lb4r 4y ago
  Not using FB does not prevent Meta from tracking you.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    It does, if you also use adblocker, disable js on certain sites, etc.
    - nerdponx 4y ago
      You can and will be fingerprinted and de-anonymized.
      - hutzlibu 4y ago
        How so, if my adblocker prevents loading the add? The site itself I am visiting could do so and share it with FB and whoever, sure - but this would be a different scenario.
      - itronitron 4y ago
        Do you know if the social media icons that people put in their email signature can also be used to collect data on sender and recipient? I tried searching for information on this a while back but all I got in the search results were tutorials on how to add the social media icons in the email signature 'block'. :/
    - kergonath 4y ago
      So it’s not the “not using FB” that prevents the tracking, then.
      - hutzlibu 4y ago
        "Tracking" is a bit different, if I go to a big news site, that happens to also serve FB ads - than going to FB directly and complain that they track what I do at their place. And like I said, if I use a adblocker preventing to load FBs add in the first place, then how can they meaningfully track me in any way?
steveridout 4y ago
GDPR obliges them to delete your data upon request. But I'm not sure how well Facebook/Meta complies with this. This post from 4 years ago doesn't sound encouraging: https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ Does anyone know if they've improved since then?
- _pjx9 4y ago
  I'd deleted my Facebook account years before, but after that begrudgingly signed up to Facebook Messenger because my friends insisted on using it (which are separate accounts apparently). At some point, a couple of years ago, I decided enough was enough (probably when they forced me to accept some new anti-privacy EULA which otherwise blocked me from using Messenger Lite). There was no delete account option in the app that I can remember. I searched and searched for at least an hour. Facebook's support site was a labyrinth of circular links that edged around actually deleting my account. I had no Facebook account, so I couldn't log in to delete it on the website's account settings. I just wanted an email I could send the request to. I finally found one for a data protection officer or some sort. Sent them an email, got another one back redirecting me to the website. Obviously that wasn't helpful, so I sent them one of those GDPR deletion templates. Didn't hear back, and checking a few months later, my account was still accessible.
  - londons_explore 4y ago
    The EU has now made clear that this isn't compliant. A data removal request does not have to be via a form - it can be to any employee via any communication method, and does not have to use any special legal wording. [1] You can show up at one of their offices and tell their janitor, and they should still comply. That's why most companies now train every employee how to handle users requesting deletion (usually by forwarding the request to someone whose job it is to action them). [1]: https://medium.com/@sandeepbhalothia/a-b27d3f83ee73#:~:text=Data%20Erasure%20Request%3F-,The%20GDPR%20is%20silent,-on%20the%20%E2%80%98form https://medium.com/@sandeepbhalothia/a-b27d3f83ee73#:~:text=...
  - piva00 4y ago
    If you have documentation about your process (which the email sent to their DPO should be enough) get in contact with the Data Protection Agency of your country for them to start procedures on your behalf. I've got some help from Sweden's IMY for a similar case, asked for the removal of my data by emailing a GDPR template, got no answer and no resolution by the company in a few months and contacted IMY who solved it (and fined them).
qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
No, that is already part of the software framework with which the palantir-cattlerattlers drive the large crowd along the "golden path" on the scenario tree. The cattle does not get to object, reject it or vote on it. The wellfare of the rancher is all that matters and any attempt to disucss that or just turn around, will just "never work out" because of unavoidable infighting. But dont worry, we are not in chicago yet. Who could have imagined, that stripping your brain naked would make you hackable and controllable, thus turning you into a organic component with an API for behavioural crowd simulations. deMoohCrazy has begone! And all that is a best-case-scenario.

I would say, you can request anything from them. Like I request people to just not use FB anymore, if they don't want to be tracked by them. Might have the same effect.

lb4r 4y ago
Not using FB does not prevent Meta from tracking you.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  It does, if you also use adblocker, disable js on certain sites, etc.
  - nerdponx 4y ago
    You can and will be fingerprinted and de-anonymized.
    - hutzlibu 4y ago
      How so, if my adblocker prevents loading the add? The site itself I am visiting could do so and share it with FB and whoever, sure - but this would be a different scenario.
    - itronitron 4y ago
      Do you know if the social media icons that people put in their email signature can also be used to collect data on sender and recipient? I tried searching for information on this a while back but all I got in the search results were tutorials on how to add the social media icons in the email signature 'block'. :/
  - kergonath 4y ago
    So it’s not the “not using FB” that prevents the tracking, then.
    - hutzlibu 4y ago
      "Tracking" is a bit different, if I go to a big news site, that happens to also serve FB ads - than going to FB directly and complain that they track what I do at their place. And like I said, if I use a adblocker preventing to load FBs add in the first place, then how can they meaningfully track me in any way?

steveridout 4y ago

GDPR obliges them to delete your data upon request. But I'm not sure how well Facebook/Meta complies with this. This post from 4 years ago doesn't sound encouraging: https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ Does anyone know if they've improved since then?

_pjx9 4y ago
I'd deleted my Facebook account years before, but after that begrudgingly signed up to Facebook Messenger because my friends insisted on using it (which are separate accounts apparently). At some point, a couple of years ago, I decided enough was enough (probably when they forced me to accept some new anti-privacy EULA which otherwise blocked me from using Messenger Lite). There was no delete account option in the app that I can remember. I searched and searched for at least an hour. Facebook's support site was a labyrinth of circular links that edged around actually deleting my account. I had no Facebook account, so I couldn't log in to delete it on the website's account settings. I just wanted an email I could send the request to. I finally found one for a data protection officer or some sort. Sent them an email, got another one back redirecting me to the website. Obviously that wasn't helpful, so I sent them one of those GDPR deletion templates. Didn't hear back, and checking a few months later, my account was still accessible.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  The EU has now made clear that this isn't compliant. A data removal request does not have to be via a form - it can be to any employee via any communication method, and does not have to use any special legal wording. [1] You can show up at one of their offices and tell their janitor, and they should still comply. That's why most companies now train every employee how to handle users requesting deletion (usually by forwarding the request to someone whose job it is to action them). [1]: https://medium.com/@sandeepbhalothia/a-b27d3f83ee73#:~:text=Data%20Erasure%20Request%3F-,The%20GDPR%20is%20silent,-on%20the%20%E2%80%98form https://medium.com/@sandeepbhalothia/a-b27d3f83ee73#:~:text=...
- piva00 4y ago
  If you have documentation about your process (which the email sent to their DPO should be enough) get in contact with the Data Protection Agency of your country for them to start procedures on your behalf. I've got some help from Sweden's IMY for a similar case, asked for the removal of my data by emailing a GDPR template, got no answer and no resolution by the company in a few months and contacted IMY who solved it (and fined them).

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

No, that is already part of the software framework with which the palantir-cattlerattlers drive the large crowd along the "golden path" on the scenario tree. The cattle does not get to object, reject it or vote on it. The wellfare of the rancher is all that matters and any attempt to disucss that or just turn around, will just "never work out" because of unavoidable infighting. But dont worry, we are not in chicago yet. Who could have imagined, that stripping your brain naked would make you hackable and controllable, thus turning you into a organic component with an API for behavioural crowd simulations. deMoohCrazy has begone! And all that is a best-case-scenario.