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I'm pretty sure nuclear power plants are safe if operated properly. I'm pretty sure they are not and will not be operated properly. Especially in Japan, where I

I'm pretty sure nuclear power plants are safe if operated properly. I'm pretty sure they are not and will not be operated properly. Especially in Japan, where I live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accidents

illiarian 4y ago
Note how the total deaths directly attributable to Japan's worst nuclear incidents (including Fukushima) is... three.
- ainiriand 4y ago
  Sad thing is that some consequences are only seen after a decade, like cancer incidence in a population. A similar thing happened in East Palestine derail, mortality is 0 by the accident itself and the long-term consequences are ignored. I guess you cannot produce an argument in favor of just not maintaining rail tracks just because nobody dies from those accidents... But I guess all of that tends to be forgotten by the media.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    So let's see the result after a decade ago. https://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2020_2021_2.html https://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2020_2021_2....
  - illiarian 4y ago
    > But I guess all of that tends to be forgotten by the media. But not by scientific community. Because what you are parroting is exactly what the media is saying. 30 years after Chernobyl https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4899336/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4899336/ Most affected are the crews on site. Even people in the evacuation zone "received low radiation doses equivalent to approximately one whole-body computed tomography (CT) scan". The rest of Europe? "in Europe number almost 600 million people, with radiation exposure doses comparable to one annual background radiation dose"
- lispm 4y ago
  Note how long reactors have been offline since the earthquake.
  - illiarian 4y ago
    Note how it wasn't just an earthquake. But who am I to stop you from ignoring reality.
    - lispm 4y ago
      Most reactors and other facilities (like a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant) were not affected by the Tsunami, but by the earthquake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tōhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tōhoku_earthquake_and_tsu... "In February 2019, there were 42 operable reactors in Japan. Of these, only nine reactors in five power plants were operating after having been restarted post-2011" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Japan "All of Japan's nuclear plants were closed, or their operations were suspended for safety inspections. The last of Japan's fifty-four reactors (Tomari-3) went offline for maintenance on 5 May 2012,[8] leaving Japan completely without nuclear-produced electrical power for the first time since 1970." "The total cost of implementing safety measures, maintaining facilities, and decommissioning of commercially operated nuclear power plants in Japan is estimated at ¥13.46 trillion ($123 billion)"
- minebreaker 4y ago
  I'd say, Fukushima was the most successfully handled nuclear incident, given the magnitude of the earthquake. Thank god LDP was not the ruling party at the time.
  - illiarian 4y ago
    Everything about response to the earthquake and tsunami was just mind-boggling IMO. I still remember the viral video of cleaning up and restoring the roads.
dirkt 4y ago
And I am still waiting for the Russians to "accidentally" blow up Zaporizhzhia [1] while conducting their military operations there. Which will cause a nice fallout in the rest of Europe. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Pla...

illiarian 4y ago

Note how the total deaths directly attributable to Japan's worst nuclear incidents (including Fukushima) is... three.

ainiriand 4y ago
Sad thing is that some consequences are only seen after a decade, like cancer incidence in a population. A similar thing happened in East Palestine derail, mortality is 0 by the accident itself and the long-term consequences are ignored. I guess you cannot produce an argument in favor of just not maintaining rail tracks just because nobody dies from those accidents... But I guess all of that tends to be forgotten by the media.
- fomine3 4y ago
  So let's see the result after a decade ago. https://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2020_2021_2.html https://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2020_2021_2....
- illiarian 4y ago
  > But I guess all of that tends to be forgotten by the media. But not by scientific community. Because what you are parroting is exactly what the media is saying. 30 years after Chernobyl https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4899336/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4899336/ Most affected are the crews on site. Even people in the evacuation zone "received low radiation doses equivalent to approximately one whole-body computed tomography (CT) scan". The rest of Europe? "in Europe number almost 600 million people, with radiation exposure doses comparable to one annual background radiation dose"
lispm 4y ago
Note how long reactors have been offline since the earthquake.
- illiarian 4y ago
  Note how it wasn't just an earthquake. But who am I to stop you from ignoring reality.
  - lispm 4y ago
    Most reactors and other facilities (like a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant) were not affected by the Tsunami, but by the earthquake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tōhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tōhoku_earthquake_and_tsu... "In February 2019, there were 42 operable reactors in Japan. Of these, only nine reactors in five power plants were operating after having been restarted post-2011" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Japan "All of Japan's nuclear plants were closed, or their operations were suspended for safety inspections. The last of Japan's fifty-four reactors (Tomari-3) went offline for maintenance on 5 May 2012,[8] leaving Japan completely without nuclear-produced electrical power for the first time since 1970." "The total cost of implementing safety measures, maintaining facilities, and decommissioning of commercially operated nuclear power plants in Japan is estimated at ¥13.46 trillion ($123 billion)"
minebreaker 4y ago
I'd say, Fukushima was the most successfully handled nuclear incident, given the magnitude of the earthquake. Thank god LDP was not the ruling party at the time.
- illiarian 4y ago
  Everything about response to the earthquake and tsunami was just mind-boggling IMO. I still remember the viral video of cleaning up and restoring the roads.

dirkt 4y ago

And I am still waiting for the Russians to "accidentally" blow up Zaporizhzhia [1] while conducting their military operations there. Which will cause a nice fallout in the rest of Europe. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Pla...