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Democracy. Sounds banal, but it's all we got. Nuclear triggers some primal fear. The safety regulations have become table stakes, unfortunately.

by perbu 4y ago

xeyownt 4y ago
> Nuclear triggers some primal fear. Rightfully so.
goodpoint 4y ago
Some people might be fearful but the real problem remains: Nuclear can be safe, cheap and built quickly. Pick two at best.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  So if we had let's say 20 or 30 years ago started with the safe and cheap. Where would we be now with CO2 emissions? Or would have it been even slower? If it can be cheap and safe shouldn't we have started massive scale yesterday?
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    It already started 50 years ago, and the results are here for everybody to be seen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#/media/File:3-Learning-curves-for-electricity-prices.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#... The chart is clear. Nuclear is in no way competitive. Not to mention all the other issues around nuclear proliferation, centralization of power, risks in case of war and terrorism. And lack of cooling water due to climate change etc.
    - Ekaros 4y ago
      Does that include storage for 100% of demand for 1 year at 95% capacity? Pretty reasonable ask for And nuclear proliferation would be a good thing. More nations have nukes the more peaceful world would be. Only those who want to invade other countries are against it.
      - goodpoint 4y ago
        > Does that include storage for 100% of demand for 1 year at 95% capacity? Pretty reasonable ask for Also a unicorn, pretty reasonable. > More nations have nukes the more peaceful world would be. Yeah sure, look how well it's been working.
        Ekaros 4y ago
        Why, should not electricity be cheap all the time. Like when it is produced from nuclear powerplants. And not go for considerable periods to multi euro range per kwh like from solar and wind. Horribly badly, just look at countries like USA, Britain, France invading countries like Afganistan and Iraq. Just imagine if either of those could have delivered nukes to NYC or Washington DC. Many of the invasions might not have happened if the countries had realistic and effective tools to fight against the bad guys and cause considerable combatant losses at their home soils.
- kbelder 4y ago
  So let's build safe and cheap reactors, and start as soon as possible.
illiarian 4y ago
> Nuclear triggers some primal fear. It doesn't. In the 50s-60s people were happily imagining everything nuclear: from kitchen robots to interplanetary travel. "Primal fear" is the result of longtime negative portrayals in the media and by politicians.

Democracy. Sounds banal, but it's all we got. Nuclear triggers some primal fear. The safety regulations have become table stakes, unfortunately.

by perbu 4y ago

Democracy. Sounds banal, but it's all we got. Nuclear triggers some primal fear. The safety regulations have become table stakes, unfortunately.

xeyownt 4y ago

> Nuclear triggers some primal fear. Rightfully so.

goodpoint 4y ago

Some people might be fearful but the real problem remains: Nuclear can be safe, cheap and built quickly. Pick two at best.

Ekaros 4y ago
So if we had let's say 20 or 30 years ago started with the safe and cheap. Where would we be now with CO2 emissions? Or would have it been even slower? If it can be cheap and safe shouldn't we have started massive scale yesterday?
- goodpoint 4y ago
  It already started 50 years ago, and the results are here for everybody to be seen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#/media/File:3-Learning-curves-for-electricity-prices.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#... The chart is clear. Nuclear is in no way competitive. Not to mention all the other issues around nuclear proliferation, centralization of power, risks in case of war and terrorism. And lack of cooling water due to climate change etc.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Does that include storage for 100% of demand for 1 year at 95% capacity? Pretty reasonable ask for And nuclear proliferation would be a good thing. More nations have nukes the more peaceful world would be. Only those who want to invade other countries are against it.
    - goodpoint 4y ago
      > Does that include storage for 100% of demand for 1 year at 95% capacity? Pretty reasonable ask for Also a unicorn, pretty reasonable. > More nations have nukes the more peaceful world would be. Yeah sure, look how well it's been working.
      - Ekaros 4y ago
        Why, should not electricity be cheap all the time. Like when it is produced from nuclear powerplants. And not go for considerable periods to multi euro range per kwh like from solar and wind. Horribly badly, just look at countries like USA, Britain, France invading countries like Afganistan and Iraq. Just imagine if either of those could have delivered nukes to NYC or Washington DC. Many of the invasions might not have happened if the countries had realistic and effective tools to fight against the bad guys and cause considerable combatant losses at their home soils.
kbelder 4y ago
So let's build safe and cheap reactors, and start as soon as possible.

illiarian 4y ago

> Nuclear triggers some primal fear. It doesn't. In the 50s-60s people were happily imagining everything nuclear: from kitchen robots to interplanetary travel. "Primal fear" is the result of longtime negative portrayals in the media and by politicians.