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Criminal investigations, especially when the subject is this high-profile, move very slowly.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
I guess my question is more like did he or did he not incite an insurrection on January 6th? there was an entire committee about it. he did, right? ok... so... not indicted, got it, moves slowly did he have classified documents when he shouldn't have? yes. not indicted did he do something wrong in regards to votes in georgia? yes. not indicted i guess i just don't get it shrug it's as if like... based on the fact that he hasn't been indicted, you can conclude... he didn't do anything illegal, because if he did, he'd be indicted, right?
- philistine 4y ago
  The remedy to his insurrection on January 6th was impeachment. He was impeached, and his jury found him not guilty. The jury in this case being the United States Senate.
  - craigching 4y ago
    Impeachment is a political process, not a legal process. EDIT: To back this up, from Wikipedia: In the United States, impeachment is a remedial rather than penal process,[13][14]: 8 intended to "effectively 'maintain constitutional government' by removing individuals unfit for office";[14]: 8 persons subject to impeachment and removal remain "liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  No. These things take time. If you’re going to indict a former president who has declared that he is going to run again you need to be totally sure about your case. It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove. Does it suck that it’s taking so long? Of course. Unfortunately, that’s how the system works.
- ncallaway 4y ago
  But all of the things you cite are "not indicted, yet". They're literally active investigations for all of those things. At the federal level, Jack Smith is currently investigating the January 6th case, the related forgery of documents, and the classified documents. Since he's a special prosecutor if he declines to indict on the things in his remit he's required to file a report to Merrick Garland with his declination decision and reasoning. That hasn't happened yet. Similarly for Georgia, a Special Grand Jury made a report recommending he be indicted. That then goes to a Grand Jury, which will make the decision on whether he be indicted. That Grand Jury hasn't sat yet, so that's also in process. So, all of those things are in process. They haven't made a decision not to indict yet, so it's incorrect to draw conclusions assuming he won't be indicted for those things yet. It's too early to say, for each of the things you identified.
- nl 4y ago
  These are all separate cases. > did he or did he not incite an insurrection on January 6th? there was an entire committee about it. he did, right? ok... so... not indicted, got it, moves slowly The latest on this is that Mike Pence is going to appear before that grand jury: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/28/judge-says-pence-must-testify-to-jan-6-grand-jury-00089222 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/28/judge-says-pence-mu... So the correct status is not yet indicted. > did he have classified documents when he shouldn't have? yes. not indicted Latest status: Some of Trump's lawyer's records must be presented to the court: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/22/trump-court-rejects-special-counsel-00088403 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/22/trump-court-rejects... not yet indicted. > did he do something wrong in regards to votes in georgia? yes. not indicted Trump's lawyer there is fighting to avoid him being indicted (as you'd expect): In a 483-page filing, Trump’s attorney Drew Findling urged a state court in Georgia to prohibit an Atlanta-area district attorney there from filing charges related to Trump’s bid to subvert the 2020 election. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/20/trump-georgia-indictment-2020-election-00087876 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/20/trump-georgia-indic... not yet indicted. The legal system is slow, but I think it's fair to say that in all these cases the legal teams are being very careful because bringing a case against a former President is unprecedented, and they want to be sure it is a good case.

I guess my question is more like did he or did he not incite an insurrection on January 6th? there was an entire committee about it. he did, right? ok... so... not indicted, got it, moves slowly did he have classified documents when he shouldn't have? yes. not indicted did he do something wrong in regards to votes in georgia? yes. not indicted i guess i just don't get it shrug it's as if like... based on the fact that he hasn't been indicted, you can conclude... he didn't do anything illegal, because if he did, he'd be indicted, right?

philistine 4y ago
The remedy to his insurrection on January 6th was impeachment. He was impeached, and his jury found him not guilty. The jury in this case being the United States Senate.
- craigching 4y ago
  Impeachment is a political process, not a legal process. EDIT: To back this up, from Wikipedia: In the United States, impeachment is a remedial rather than penal process,[13][14]: 8 intended to "effectively 'maintain constitutional government' by removing individuals unfit for office";[14]: 8 persons subject to impeachment and removal remain "liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law
Godel_unicode 4y ago
No. These things take time. If you’re going to indict a former president who has declared that he is going to run again you need to be totally sure about your case. It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove. Does it suck that it’s taking so long? Of course. Unfortunately, that’s how the system works.
ncallaway 4y ago
But all of the things you cite are "not indicted, yet". They're literally active investigations for all of those things. At the federal level, Jack Smith is currently investigating the January 6th case, the related forgery of documents, and the classified documents. Since he's a special prosecutor if he declines to indict on the things in his remit he's required to file a report to Merrick Garland with his declination decision and reasoning. That hasn't happened yet. Similarly for Georgia, a Special Grand Jury made a report recommending he be indicted. That then goes to a Grand Jury, which will make the decision on whether he be indicted. That Grand Jury hasn't sat yet, so that's also in process. So, all of those things are in process. They haven't made a decision not to indict yet, so it's incorrect to draw conclusions assuming he won't be indicted for those things yet. It's too early to say, for each of the things you identified.
nl 4y ago
These are all separate cases. > did he or did he not incite an insurrection on January 6th? there was an entire committee about it. he did, right? ok... so... not indicted, got it, moves slowly The latest on this is that Mike Pence is going to appear before that grand jury: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/28/judge-says-pence-must-testify-to-jan-6-grand-jury-00089222 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/28/judge-says-pence-mu... So the correct status is not yet indicted. > did he have classified documents when he shouldn't have? yes. not indicted Latest status: Some of Trump's lawyer's records must be presented to the court: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/22/trump-court-rejects-special-counsel-00088403 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/22/trump-court-rejects... not yet indicted. > did he do something wrong in regards to votes in georgia? yes. not indicted Trump's lawyer there is fighting to avoid him being indicted (as you'd expect): In a 483-page filing, Trump’s attorney Drew Findling urged a state court in Georgia to prohibit an Atlanta-area district attorney there from filing charges related to Trump’s bid to subvert the 2020 election. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/20/trump-georgia-indictment-2020-election-00087876 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/20/trump-georgia-indic... not yet indicted. The legal system is slow, but I think it's fair to say that in all these cases the legal teams are being very careful because bringing a case against a former President is unprecedented, and they want to be sure it is a good case.