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I'm 100% in support of applying the law to all people. What I don't love is the timing of it. It makes it easily dismissible as political theatre. Wait until a

I'm 100% in support of applying the law to all people. What I don't love is the timing of it. It makes it easily dismissible as political theatre. Wait until after the election.

jagraff 4y ago
They can’t - the statute of limitations will have run out by then (there’s an argument that Trump will make that it has run out already).
- shagie 4y ago
  From Trump v. Vance; Justice Alito in the dissenting opinion: > ... And the district attorney should set out why he finds it necessary that the records be produced now as opposed to when the President leaves office. At argument, respondent’s counsel told us that his office’s concern is the expiration of the statute of limitations,11 but there are potential solutions to that problem. Even if New York law does not automatically suspend the statute of limitations for prosecuting a President until he leaves office,12 it may be possible to eliminate the problem by waiver.13 And if the prosecutor’s statute-of-limitations concerns relate to parties other than the President, he should be required to spell that out. > ... > 12: See N. Y. Crim. Proc. Law Ann. §30.10(4)(a) (West 2010) (statute tolled when defendant outside the jurisdiction); see also People v. Knobel, 94 N. Y. 2d 226, 230, 723 N. E. 2d 550, 552 (1999) (explaining New York rule for tolling the limitations period when a defendant is “continuously outside” the State and concluding that “all periods of a day or more that a nonresident defendant is out-of-State should be totaled and toll the Statute of Limitations”).
norwalkbear 4y ago
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- cmrdporcupine 4y ago
  Many Americans see themselves as rebels. Funny thing is many of the most vociferous so-called rebels are nothing more than bullies and aggressors. People who already hold most of the power, and are "rebelling" only at the fact that their victims are starting to struggle a bit under their grip. There's nothing "rebellious" about being a wealthy real estate baron and casino owner. And nothing "rebellious" about supporting him, either. It's rather, kind of the opposite.
  - norwalkbear 4y ago
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    - krapp 4y ago
      Americans may consider themselves rebels, but they aren't. They talk a lot of shit about rebellion and watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants but still let corporations, police and government run roughshod all over them, and follow their party's propaganda line without question. A country with only two relevant political parties, more alike than not, and only one civil war in its history is not one rife with rebellion.
      - stuckinhell 4y ago
        Americans are 100% rebels in comparison to many other countries. They often take the contrarian position just because. As a manager whose has to prep for international meetings, I can tell 100% there is major cultural divide. I can't explain it, but I always have to gauge engineers going awol during a meeting with Asian partners.
        cmrdporcupine 4y ago
        Sorry, no, as a Canadian I've always been flabbergasted at the "smile and congratulate and comply" culture in American tech companies. Open criticism (and rebellion) to stupid ideas comes far quicker from Canadian and European colleagues. As commenter poster alluded: a country with only two political parties, both of which are basically conformist on the same foreign policy and economic objectives... Where "conservatives" think anything left of Atilla the Hun is communism, so accept pathetic living conditions, corruption, and barbarous behaviour is A-OK. Absolutely not a "rebellious country"; a country notorious for police brutality and individual acts of authoritarian violence. Really more the tyrant than the rebel. Sorry you don't like the mirror I'm holding up.
        stuckinhell 4y ago
jamestimmins 4y ago
This logic doesn't hold up. If he wins then they have to indict a sitting president and 9 years will have passed, and the "timing == political theater" seems even stronger. If they wait until he's out of office, it's 13 years. If you treat your life as one big show, any accountability will seem like theater, but that doesn't mean you get to avoid it.
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago
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stuckinhell 4y ago
The vast majority of people understand this is 100% political theater. Some just hope it takes him out of the running from 2024, but the truth is this probably empowers Trump to take 2024. He's always sold him self as the ultimate "Rebel", and a half assed prosecution on something so minor to the grand scheme of things solidifies it. Human Nature 101 which seems to be something hackernews engineers don't understand as much as I'd like as a manager of many engineering teams. I really don't understand how he drives his enemies to make so many basic mistakes, but he does.
- laidoffamazon 4y ago
  I think it ensures he’ll be the nominee and also ensures he will lose the general if he doesn’t do a deal in the other indictments to drop out. Your mistake is thinking a disastrous president that lost re-election somehow understands the modal voter. He doesn’t even understand the modal voter in swing states.
bobsil1 4y ago
T•••• should've been arrested in the hours after the Capitol attack, like Brazil did with its coup attempt.

I'm 100% in support of applying the law to all people. What I don't love is the timing of it. It makes it easily dismissible as political theatre. Wait until after the election.

jagraff 4y ago

They can’t - the statute of limitations will have run out by then (there’s an argument that Trump will make that it has run out already).

shagie 4y ago
From Trump v. Vance; Justice Alito in the dissenting opinion: > ... And the district attorney should set out why he finds it necessary that the records be produced now as opposed to when the President leaves office. At argument, respondent’s counsel told us that his office’s concern is the expiration of the statute of limitations,11 but there are potential solutions to that problem. Even if New York law does not automatically suspend the statute of limitations for prosecuting a President until he leaves office,12 it may be possible to eliminate the problem by waiver.13 And if the prosecutor’s statute-of-limitations concerns relate to parties other than the President, he should be required to spell that out. > ... > 12: See N. Y. Crim. Proc. Law Ann. §30.10(4)(a) (West 2010) (statute tolled when defendant outside the jurisdiction); see also People v. Knobel, 94 N. Y. 2d 226, 230, 723 N. E. 2d 550, 552 (1999) (explaining New York rule for tolling the limitations period when a defendant is “continuously outside” the State and concluding that “all periods of a day or more that a nonresident defendant is out-of-State should be totaled and toll the Statute of Limitations”).

norwalkbear 4y ago

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cmrdporcupine 4y ago
Many Americans see themselves as rebels. Funny thing is many of the most vociferous so-called rebels are nothing more than bullies and aggressors. People who already hold most of the power, and are "rebelling" only at the fact that their victims are starting to struggle a bit under their grip. There's nothing "rebellious" about being a wealthy real estate baron and casino owner. And nothing "rebellious" about supporting him, either. It's rather, kind of the opposite.
- norwalkbear 4y ago
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  - krapp 4y ago
    Americans may consider themselves rebels, but they aren't. They talk a lot of shit about rebellion and watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants but still let corporations, police and government run roughshod all over them, and follow their party's propaganda line without question. A country with only two relevant political parties, more alike than not, and only one civil war in its history is not one rife with rebellion.
    - stuckinhell 4y ago
      Americans are 100% rebels in comparison to many other countries. They often take the contrarian position just because. As a manager whose has to prep for international meetings, I can tell 100% there is major cultural divide. I can't explain it, but I always have to gauge engineers going awol during a meeting with Asian partners.
      - cmrdporcupine 4y ago
        Sorry, no, as a Canadian I've always been flabbergasted at the "smile and congratulate and comply" culture in American tech companies. Open criticism (and rebellion) to stupid ideas comes far quicker from Canadian and European colleagues. As commenter poster alluded: a country with only two political parties, both of which are basically conformist on the same foreign policy and economic objectives... Where "conservatives" think anything left of Atilla the Hun is communism, so accept pathetic living conditions, corruption, and barbarous behaviour is A-OK. Absolutely not a "rebellious country"; a country notorious for police brutality and individual acts of authoritarian violence. Really more the tyrant than the rebel. Sorry you don't like the mirror I'm holding up.
        stuckinhell 4y ago

jamestimmins 4y ago

This logic doesn't hold up. If he wins then they have to indict a sitting president and 9 years will have passed, and the "timing == political theater" seems even stronger. If they wait until he's out of office, it's 13 years. If you treat your life as one big show, any accountability will seem like theater, but that doesn't mean you get to avoid it.

Slava_Propanei 4y ago
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stuckinhell 4y ago

The vast majority of people understand this is 100% political theater. Some just hope it takes him out of the running from 2024, but the truth is this probably empowers Trump to take 2024. He's always sold him self as the ultimate "Rebel", and a half assed prosecution on something so minor to the grand scheme of things solidifies it. Human Nature 101 which seems to be something hackernews engineers don't understand as much as I'd like as a manager of many engineering teams. I really don't understand how he drives his enemies to make so many basic mistakes, but he does.

laidoffamazon 4y ago
I think it ensures he’ll be the nominee and also ensures he will lose the general if he doesn’t do a deal in the other indictments to drop out. Your mistake is thinking a disastrous president that lost re-election somehow understands the modal voter. He doesn’t even understand the modal voter in swing states.

bobsil1 4y ago

T•••• should've been arrested in the hours after the Capitol attack, like Brazil did with its coup attempt.