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I still enjoy Ubuntu, no reason to change, especially not about stuff like removing flatpack which I don't care at all. Ubuntu is still the best overall deskto

by Thaxll 4y ago

I still enjoy Ubuntu, no reason to change, especially not about stuff like removing flatpack which I don't care at all. Ubuntu is still the best overall desktop distro imo, and it's still linux so you can customize it the way you want. Fedora has a release every 6 month which laughable honestly, Ubuntu has 5 years of LTS support.

imp0cat 4y ago
Ubuntu LTS is great, but if you have a recent AMD cpu, you have to jump through some hoops to get newer kernel (install the linux-oem-22.04c) with better support for your hw. And when you do that, you still only get linux kernel 6.1. :(
gabrielgio 4y ago
> Fedora has a release every 6 month which laughable honestly Why? If you want a LTS go for Ubuntu, if you are more for a rolling distro experience go for Fedora. They have different approaches. Also LTS for desktop serves me nothing. I prefer to use the latest kernel for a wider hardware support so I’d prefer Fedora. Also Fedora tents to adopt newer technology first which I’d also prefer. It is up to your needs.
bravetraveler 4y ago
> Fedora has a release every 6 month which laughable honestly Not to nitpick on the phrasing, but I find laughable grating. Are you aware that Fedora supports two releases at a time? You get a year of support for newer software. The ancient kernels on Ubuntu are 'laughable' at times. There are real benefits to newer kernels (and userspace), particularly for consumer hardware. It's not all good - there are quirks too. Point is, everyone has different priorities - and while LTS leans to stability, it also imitates "long term stuck". I've been watching this bug for years: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firewalld/+bug/1835188 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firewalld/+bug/183... 18.04 is going EOL very soon if not already, so this incompatibility between their releases of iptables and firewalld will never be fixed. Enjoy the stability from an upgrade. Wonderful 'support' for a clear distribution defect. I close with this: not all old software is stable, nor new/scary. It's hard thankless work, and such widely painted brushes are unhelpful. There's nuance to the nuance.
- Thaxll 4y ago
  Difference is that Ubuntu supports many kernels even when using LTS: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release-cycle https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release...
  - bravetraveler 4y ago
    I'm aware - included at times There have been several cases where the provided kernel was insufficient to get the one I needed, because it didn't support my networking device
    - vdfs 4y ago
      18.04 is not going EOL anytime soon, in face 14.04 is still supported for an other year
      - bravetraveler 4y ago
        Practically speaking, it is. ESM is a further step down from the dusty situation it's been in -- more backports, continued incompatibility because now it's explicitly security updates.

by Thaxll 4y ago

imp0cat 4y ago

Ubuntu LTS is great, but if you have a recent AMD cpu, you have to jump through some hoops to get newer kernel (install the linux-oem-22.04c) with better support for your hw. And when you do that, you still only get linux kernel 6.1. :(

gabrielgio 4y ago

> Fedora has a release every 6 month which laughable honestly Why? If you want a LTS go for Ubuntu, if you are more for a rolling distro experience go for Fedora. They have different approaches. Also LTS for desktop serves me nothing. I prefer to use the latest kernel for a wider hardware support so I’d prefer Fedora. Also Fedora tents to adopt newer technology first which I’d also prefer. It is up to your needs.

bravetraveler 4y ago

> Fedora has a release every 6 month which laughable honestly Not to nitpick on the phrasing, but I find laughable grating. Are you aware that Fedora supports two releases at a time? You get a year of support for newer software. The ancient kernels on Ubuntu are 'laughable' at times. There are real benefits to newer kernels (and userspace), particularly for consumer hardware. It's not all good - there are quirks too. Point is, everyone has different priorities - and while LTS leans to stability, it also imitates "long term stuck". I've been watching this bug for years: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firewalld/+bug/1835188 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firewalld/+bug/183... 18.04 is going EOL very soon if not already, so this incompatibility between their releases of iptables and firewalld will never be fixed. Enjoy the stability from an upgrade. Wonderful 'support' for a clear distribution defect. I close with this: not all old software is stable, nor new/scary. It's hard thankless work, and such widely painted brushes are unhelpful. There's nuance to the nuance.

Thaxll 4y ago
Difference is that Ubuntu supports many kernels even when using LTS: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release-cycle https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release...
- bravetraveler 4y ago
  I'm aware - included at times There have been several cases where the provided kernel was insufficient to get the one I needed, because it didn't support my networking device
  - vdfs 4y ago
    18.04 is not going EOL anytime soon, in face 14.04 is still supported for an other year
    - bravetraveler 4y ago
      Practically speaking, it is. ESM is a further step down from the dusty situation it's been in -- more backports, continued incompatibility because now it's explicitly security updates.