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I wish there was something like Debian (just plain boring works) but more up to date. I run Debian but certain packages are really out of date and sometimes hav

I wish there was something like Debian (just plain boring works) but more up to date. I run Debian but certain packages are really out of date and sometimes have to tinker around. I don't like the snap in Ubuntu... Maybe Linux Mint or Debian version of Mint?

ojhughes 4y ago
Debian Sid might be worth a try
- rektide 4y ago
  Sid is pretty good. Five years ago I made the switch from Debian/testing (with unstable pinned on at low priority) to Sid. I'd probably recommend the first config though, testing with unstable pinned on. It's definitely nowhere near as fresh as unstablr, but still often much better. And you can install fresh versions of things you care about, via apt-pinning. Unstae has never caused a real problem. Sometimes a dependency might not be resolvable, and you have to either wait a bit while a dependency makes its way to availability (days or sometimes rarely weeks), or you can go dig up slightly-older unstable versions of packages on the website, or you just apt-pin testing on (at low priority) and install the significantly older version. All in all Sid (unstable) has been quite lovely and I'd never switch back. But being unable to install something has been an issue I see a couple times a year. Testing, with Unstable pinned on gives you a nice position of getting what you want fresh & everything else being pretty dammed reliable. I also wouldn't discourage anyone from running Sid either, but it has some pretty small caveats.
switch007 4y ago
Fedora?
prottog 4y ago
I'm running bullseye on desktop and haven't found anything terribly out of date, but it was first released a year and half ago so maybe it will happen soon, and of course YMMV. I find that most local development is containerized anyway so how recent my desktop OS doesn't factor as much as it used to.
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mikae1 4y ago
Isn't that Fedora you're asking for? There's also https://get.opensuse.org/leap/ https://get.opensuse.org/leap/, but packages may not be much newer than Debian's. They say https://get.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/ https://get.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/ should be very stable, yet rolling. You get Btrfs snapshots automatically. When Debian Bookworm comes out I'm going to, as an experiment, give it a go paired with Distrobox. I'll install my CLI and GUI applications via an Arch Distrobox. Stable base, rolling and portable apps.
- monkeywork 4y ago
  This sounds very interesting - can you link me to video or blogs where others have done something like this?
  - mikae1 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2PrISAOtbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2PrISAOtbY https://www.ypsidanger.com/toolboxes-are-not-just-for-special-cases/ https://www.ypsidanger.com/toolboxes-are-not-just-for-specia... Tried in a VM. Seems to work, but needs more evaluation to see how it works in real life. You can even make a Distrobox the default in your terminal.
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
Debian !stable maybe?
zenger 4y ago
They do actually have LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition)https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
imp0cat 4y ago
To make Ubuntu a lot more tolerable, uninstall Firefox Snap, grab Firefox from mozilla.org, unpack to a folder of your choice. It will work fine and even auto-update itself.
- lproven 4y ago
  > It will work fine and even auto-update itself. Just checking: you mean the unpackaged tarball, not a .deb or anything?
  - imp0cat 4y ago
    Yes. The unpacked tarball. The only minor catch is, if you want a pretty icon, you might have to create a menu entry with alacarte by yourself with the following config: Name: Firefox Command: /where/you/untared/firefox/firefox --name=firefox %u And pick the icon from /where/you/untared/firefox/browser/chrome/icons/default/, there are multiple pngs.
    - lproven 4y ago
      Interesting, about the self-updating aspect. Do you keep it in your home directory? Or do you run with root permissions all the time? (Scary!) Do you have problems with the packaging system thinking you don't have a browser installed, as I described here? https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/debian_firefox_issues/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/debian_firefox_issues... Or do you have some other browser(s) installed as well?

ojhughes 4y ago

Debian Sid might be worth a try

rektide 4y ago
Sid is pretty good. Five years ago I made the switch from Debian/testing (with unstable pinned on at low priority) to Sid. I'd probably recommend the first config though, testing with unstable pinned on. It's definitely nowhere near as fresh as unstablr, but still often much better. And you can install fresh versions of things you care about, via apt-pinning. Unstae has never caused a real problem. Sometimes a dependency might not be resolvable, and you have to either wait a bit while a dependency makes its way to availability (days or sometimes rarely weeks), or you can go dig up slightly-older unstable versions of packages on the website, or you just apt-pin testing on (at low priority) and install the significantly older version. All in all Sid (unstable) has been quite lovely and I'd never switch back. But being unable to install something has been an issue I see a couple times a year. Testing, with Unstable pinned on gives you a nice position of getting what you want fresh & everything else being pretty dammed reliable. I also wouldn't discourage anyone from running Sid either, but it has some pretty small caveats.

switch007 4y ago

Fedora?

prottog 4y ago

I'm running bullseye on desktop and haven't found anything terribly out of date, but it was first released a year and half ago so maybe it will happen soon, and of course YMMV. I find that most local development is containerized anyway so how recent my desktop OS doesn't factor as much as it used to.

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mikae1 4y ago

Isn't that Fedora you're asking for? There's also https://get.opensuse.org/leap/ https://get.opensuse.org/leap/, but packages may not be much newer than Debian's. They say https://get.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/ https://get.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/ should be very stable, yet rolling. You get Btrfs snapshots automatically. When Debian Bookworm comes out I'm going to, as an experiment, give it a go paired with Distrobox. I'll install my CLI and GUI applications via an Arch Distrobox. Stable base, rolling and portable apps.

monkeywork 4y ago
This sounds very interesting - can you link me to video or blogs where others have done something like this?
- mikae1 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2PrISAOtbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2PrISAOtbY https://www.ypsidanger.com/toolboxes-are-not-just-for-special-cases/ https://www.ypsidanger.com/toolboxes-are-not-just-for-specia... Tried in a VM. Seems to work, but needs more evaluation to see how it works in real life. You can even make a Distrobox the default in your terminal.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

Debian !stable maybe?

zenger 4y ago

They do actually have LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition)https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

imp0cat 4y ago

To make Ubuntu a lot more tolerable, uninstall Firefox Snap, grab Firefox from mozilla.org, unpack to a folder of your choice. It will work fine and even auto-update itself.

lproven 4y ago
> It will work fine and even auto-update itself. Just checking: you mean the unpackaged tarball, not a .deb or anything?
- imp0cat 4y ago
  Yes. The unpacked tarball. The only minor catch is, if you want a pretty icon, you might have to create a menu entry with alacarte by yourself with the following config: Name: Firefox Command: /where/you/untared/firefox/firefox --name=firefox %u And pick the icon from /where/you/untared/firefox/browser/chrome/icons/default/, there are multiple pngs.
  - lproven 4y ago
    Interesting, about the self-updating aspect. Do you keep it in your home directory? Or do you run with root permissions all the time? (Scary!) Do you have problems with the packaging system thinking you don't have a browser installed, as I described here? https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/debian_firefox_issues/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/debian_firefox_issues... Or do you have some other browser(s) installed as well?