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Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth
- meow 15y agoIs this host trustworthy ? Feature wise it seems too good to be true: Intel® Core™ i7-2600 Quadcore incl. Hyper-Threading Technology RAM 32 GB DDR3 RAM Hard disks 2 x 3 TB SATA 6 Gb/s HDD 7200 rpm (Software-RAID 1) NIC 1 GBit OnBoard connected at 100 MBit Backup Space 100 GB Traffic Unlimited*
- alexro 15y agoI know many people who recommend it
- Intermediate 15y agoYep, it's a well known german datacenter.
- davidw 15y agoThey've been around for a while, and are fairly well known.
- samarudge 15y agoThey are one of the largest hosts in Europe (~50k dedicated servers if I remember correctly). Large doesn't always mean best, though. Similar to OVH, they provide good hardware, reliability and a decent enough network, but if anything goes wrong you best know how to fix it yourself. I also believe their network isn't /as/ good as somewhere like Rackspace however with CDN's etc. that's probably not as much of an issue. TL;DR; Yes they're trustworthy, generally speaking
- pors 15y agoHow do CDN's solve bad connectivity of your app server?
- samarudge 15y agoThey have no issues with connectivity, they might have higher latency and lower bandwidth than some of the higher end providers. But since +90% of the data transfer on most sites is static assets, using a CDN to distribute those will reduce the bandwidth requirements on the server. Of course, if you're working on a larger project with enough budget, services like Akamai provide methods of routing your static content via their network, further reducing the problem.
- tluyben2 15y agoOVH definitely does not provide good hardware; we have more broken disks and NICs there than all our other hosters combined. Edit: I see we might be exceptions. We have been using OVH since 2005, running up to 40 servers about 2 years ago. We are also running at iWeb, Softlayer, Amazon and Leaseweb. Hardware wise the only one we have issues with is OVH, and i'm talking every 2 weeks since 2005 (in 2006 they managed to lose all our data on 2 clustered RAID machines; one died, all corrupted, then when we were busy setting up the replacement, the other one died...). But they are so cheap and easy (like the easy OS installation which is cloud-like, already for many years) we stick with them for some projects which need high spec hardware in clusters. Note: the SSD drives are great, no problems with those so far (knock on wood).
- samarudge 15y agoReally? I guess you're experience differs from mine. Currently we have 5 servers with OVH (Ranging from high to low end) and have never had a single hardware issue. We've had 4 of these servers for +18 months and 1 for +2 years with no issues at all. That being said, they're not exactly known for their fast response times to support calls although I believe they have a 2hr SLA for critical hardware failures. I guess it's just down to experiences though, I have all our high-profile servers/apps with UK2 or LiquidWeb.
- _Lemon_ 15y agoOVH put brand new disks in every server sold. They also do remarkably well: out of the thousands I've had from Leaseweb and OVH, OVH wins hands down.
- NARKOZ 15y agoStrange to hear that about OVH. I use them since 2010 and never had a hardware issue yet.
- mst 15y agoSomebody always has a bad experience with any given company. What I keep wondering about is how to effectively get the collective knowledge out there to figure out whether you're the exception or the rule. I sort of wish hosting companies would publish the hardware failure rates -as seen by them- too - though I don't know how much of a competitive advantage that would be, if any.
- matthewcford 15y agoIt's where we host all of our staging servers for client apps now, pretty good value if you ask me.
- lusr 15y agoI've used them for the past year with zero issues, but I then I haven't done anything too hardcore. Network is excellent although I've noticed one site (oron.com) cannot be routed to - haven't bothered figuring out if maybe this is because it's Germany and there's a block, or if there's something else going on. I've also been impressed with their server management tools (web-based VKVM access, you can boot into a rescue system if required, etc.).
- ergo14 15y agoTraffic is limited ie. they cap you too 10mbit after you exceed 10TB, (you can buy more uncapped traffic ofc.) And yes the "host" is a very big datacenter, I have one server with them for 3 years, with pretty good uptime. 2-3 outages on their end over last 3 years. You need to remember that you need to buy additional packages for hardware raid or failover that will cost you about 20-30 EUR - if you need them, still it's one of best offers out there and def. best in Europe price wise.
- lusr 15y agoInterestingly, the 10TB only applies to outgoing traffic. For most people this probably isn't that important but for my current project it's great because the bulk of my bandwidth will be users uploading data and/or me fetching that data on their behalf.
- Loic 15y agoI used to live 3 km from their datacenters here: http://www.datacenterpark.de/ http://www.datacenterpark.de/ Basically in the former East Germany. They are doing things the right way. I am not hosting with them at the moment, but I have been for a couple of years without issues. You must also know that the EU paid some good money to get the datacenters there as part of economical development initiatives. Hetzner is operating since 1997.
- rsynnott 15y agoIn general, I've had nothing but good experiences with them. They're reasonably bare-bones, though; don't expect miracles in terms of support.
- egze 15y agoI love Hetzner. I got the more cheaper one a week ago http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq4 http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq4
- imaginator 15y agoWe host all of buddycloud's servers on them and they really do rock. Support is good. No outages in over three years. Very solid.
- avar 15y agoI've been using Hetzner for about a year after migrating off Slicehost to Linode and then to Hetzner. I'd recommend Linode if you need really good service (they once tracked down and patched a kernel bug for me), but if you don't want amazing support and just want some really good specs at a good price Hetzner is great, especially if you're in Europe.
- zerathul 15y agocan anyone explain how is this even possible considering how expensive that piece of hardware is?
- louislouis 15y agoI'm gona take a wild stab in the dark and say megaupload has freed a lot of servers lol.
- JanezStupar 15y agoI wouldn't host illegal content from within German borders.
- ergo14 15y agoI belive I saw some posts on webhostingtalk or some other forums that stated, that their method of operations is to buy tons of hardware - single platform (mobo) that they build their offering on - with greatly discounted prices from manufacturer. They will provide it for a year or so, and then they will create new platform again after a while after they are out of stock, this happens once every year I think. Also keep in mind those are not "server grade" components so don't count on expansions to the servers/ECC RAM - this kind of stuff - you want to scale - just buy more boxes, there are upgrade possibilities, but they are limited to my understanding.
- latch 15y agoAs long as the price > operating cost, they'll eventually make money on it. You could say that they take a different approach to say Rackspace or Softlayer which try to recoup the initial investment during the first month.
- sp332 15y agoBut you have to subtract the operating costs, and still make your money back quickly before you have to pay to upgrade the hardware again.
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- jorangreef 15y agoI started hosting with the South African branch of Hetzner (http://hetzner.co.za http://hetzner.co.za) for several years starting in 1999, back when the owner was manning the support line himself. In that time they were always service-oriented.
- Uchikoma 15y agoI'm using Hetzner for 10years, with very very few major problems (I only remember 1). I compared them some time ago to EC2 pricewise: http://codemonkeyism.com/dark-side-virtualized-servers-cloud/ http://codemonkeyism.com/dark-side-virtualized-servers-cloud... And setup of a new server is quite fast too.
- ergo14 15y agoI agree, in every calculation I make, cloud seems to be too expensive for me.
- LogicX 15y agoThe awesome article "The Five Stages of Hosting" http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3526767 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3526767 from yesterday should be mentioned. I brought some price-point discussions in the comments. Some good rebuttals lower down regarding EC2's committed cost options.
- iusable 15y agoI agree. Been using Hetzner for over 2 years & loving it. Great value for money IF you know what you are doing.
- slig 15y agoDo people outside EU get 19% off from VAT?
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- dasrecht 15y agoI did yes... and even without asking them... it was like SOP
- sek 15y agoA German company would get 19% back from the Government, but AFAIK a foreign company doesn't have to pay it in the first place, so you can calculate it out. Incredible, maybe they made a mistake on their site. Hetzner has a very good reputation here in Germany, otherwise i would expect something fishy.
- dav-id 15y agoWithin the EU you need to pay the VAT.
- hlidotbe 15y agoNot if you are a business... we don't pay VAT on anything we buy outside Belgium.
- veeti 15y agoYou need to be VAT registered in your own country to be able to buy things with 0 VAT.
- sek 15y agoI looked it up, for export you don't have to charge VAT. But i don't know if internet services count as export.
- jusob 15y ago
- LogicX 15y agoMy issue with Hetzner is that by the time you add in management options necessary for a remote dedicated server, your monthly cost isn't that much better than other options. Example: To have remote KVM/IP you'd need to first pay 15EUR for their flexipack for the privilege of adding additional features. then 19EUR mo and 149 EUR setup for KVM/IP Now you're up to $122USD/mo + almost $400USD for setup. Compare to Incero's WebHostingTalk offer: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1121998 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1121998 which is $99/mo paid in quarterly batches. Which is server grade, better CPU, ECC RAM, with KVM/IP and is in the US (Texas). Hetzner is still cheaper overall with the 32GB -- because they're not dealing with much more expensive server class ECC RAM, but I just feel its important to bring the initial low number you see: 59 to a realistic place...
- jorisw 15y agoWhat would you need remote KVM/IP for? If your ssh ever dies, you can reboot the thing into rescue mode, log in over remote console, fix whatever's broken, and reboot the system. I have been using an older server offer of theirs for years now, and never had to pay for anything other than the said fee.
- mikehuffman 15y agoKVM/IP is common for remote windows server admins. Sounds crazy, I know, but they are out there.
- mtarnovan 15y agoWhat if you upgrade to a kernel which doesn't boot ? Trust me, KVM/IP gives you peace of mind, for 10-15EUR/month it's worth it. On some server configs it's even included in the price (EX8).
- ergo14 15y agothen you boot from recovery image - GRUB broke for me completly after routine debian update (imagine that!), and i fixed it using recovery images - you can also request LARA for up to 2h for free.
- dberg 15y agoIs there a US version of this ?
- mjwalshe 15y agoSPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
- gommm 15y agoAnyone knows a good cheap dedicated server company like this in Hong Kong? I use Hetzner and love it but I need another dedicated server in Hong Kong or Singapore.
- vintagius 15y agoPity one can't pay using paypal.
- attheodo 15y agoWe use EX4 from Hetzner along with Amazon's Cloudfront for static files and we're REALLY REALLY satisfied.
- nirvana 15y agoBeen planning to set up a cluster with Hertzner using the EX 4, so the 4S is like getting 16GB more RAM for 10 Euros more a month. This is great news. One thing I have wondered about is whether hosting in Germany is a good idea. First is the latency issues. Will serving web pages to customers on the west coast of the US really suffer? (this is in the minimum viable product stage-- we're not google yet) Secondly, I'm not all that familiar with all the laws of the EU. I don't want to run afoul of them, but I haven't found a good summary of best practices for services hosted in the EU.
- njs12345 15y agoOff the top of my head, one thing you might need to worry about is privacy/data protection - the EU laws on this seem to be a bit more stringent than in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive
- nirvana 15y agoThank you. This presents some implications I'm going to have to consider in developing our application. Fortunately, in the early days we'll be collecting no personally identifiable data.
- ergo14 15y agoI have some applications logging to my server in hetzner from US (softlayer datacenters), and some from china. So far we didn't had any single issue with latency.
- rsynnott 15y agoThe data protection directive might be an issue for you; protection of personal information is much stronger in the EU than in the US. Less likely, but because it's Germany, if you're hosting bigoted content, particularly Nazi-associated content, that will be a problem.
- sek 15y ago
- timc3 15y agoHave been using them for just over 6 months with 3 machines currently. Highly recommended, no problems at all. And you can run VMware esxi on these offerings.
- dotBen 15y agoFor those wondering, at current exchange rates and with the VAT removed, the price for non-EU customers is US$65.29/m
- fierarul 15y agoI don't see an explanation about VAT, but outside Germany you shouldn't need to pay it, which makes the actual price about 50 euro/month + the one-time 125 euro setup fee. Sadly I just reserved an instance for one year with Amazon the other month but this looks quite a good offer.
- gokhan 15y agoYep, we're out of EU zone and got one server with them. We don't pay VAT.
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- jamilb 15y ago240 Gbit bandwidth connected with a 100 Mbit link?
- halayli 15y ago
- jusob 15y agoI have an EQ4 wit them (8GB RAM), anybody has experience in moving from one server to another within Hetzner? I don' think they have anything to facilitate such a move.