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Snowden sounded like US got access to your data regardless of TLS. Most of the information required to compare is not public, maybe China got a better equipmen

Snowden sounded like US got access to your data regardless of TLS. Most of the information required to compare is not public, maybe China got a better equipment and funding than USA... but even if that's the case, it's not like China is the baseline and everything is great as long as we think we are better treated.

throw10920 4y ago
> Snowden sounded like US got access to your data regardless of TLS. Still not relevant. Covert exploitation of cryptographic weaknesses that can be easily patched leading to a limited set of data whose use is constrained by well-defined legal processes (involving warrants and courts) is categorically different than "the state forces you to decrypt and hand them all of your data". They're not remotely comparable. > it's not like China is the baseline and everything is great as long as we think we are better treated Nobody is saying that.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  PRISM is literally the state forcing you to decrypt and hand over data. I'm sure the CCP has their own potemkin legal system - the FISA courts are smoke and dressing just the same.
  - throw10920 4y ago
    Please read my comment again. > limited set of data whose use is constrained by well-defined legal processes (involving warrants and courts) is categorically different than "the state forces you to decrypt and hand them all of your data". This still describes the difference between PRISM and the CCP's system. It doesn't matter if "the CCP has their own potemkin legal system" - the fact is that the NSA only (allegedly) takes a very small set of records and providers get to see every one of them, where's the CCP's system takes literally everything. Plus, we can look at the massive differences between the CCP and the US in every other way - the Great Firewall's real-time monitoring and censorship of all communication in the country, for instance, as well as the total lack of constitutional rights to privacy that the Chinese people have - and pretty reasonably conclude that the FISA courts are going to be more rigorous than whatever China has.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    PRISM was WILLFULL cooperation with the feds by private companies. Other things snowden revealed made it clear the the feds were ALSO snooping inside the companies, and famously google encrypted their internal links and infra to stop it. Funny how they understand the importance of privacy, just not for you.

throw10920 4y ago

> Snowden sounded like US got access to your data regardless of TLS. Still not relevant. Covert exploitation of cryptographic weaknesses that can be easily patched leading to a limited set of data whose use is constrained by well-defined legal processes (involving warrants and courts) is categorically different than "the state forces you to decrypt and hand them all of your data". They're not remotely comparable. > it's not like China is the baseline and everything is great as long as we think we are better treated Nobody is saying that.

sudosysgen 4y ago
PRISM is literally the state forcing you to decrypt and hand over data. I'm sure the CCP has their own potemkin legal system - the FISA courts are smoke and dressing just the same.
- throw10920 4y ago
  Please read my comment again. > limited set of data whose use is constrained by well-defined legal processes (involving warrants and courts) is categorically different than "the state forces you to decrypt and hand them all of your data". This still describes the difference between PRISM and the CCP's system. It doesn't matter if "the CCP has their own potemkin legal system" - the fact is that the NSA only (allegedly) takes a very small set of records and providers get to see every one of them, where's the CCP's system takes literally everything. Plus, we can look at the massive differences between the CCP and the US in every other way - the Great Firewall's real-time monitoring and censorship of all communication in the country, for instance, as well as the total lack of constitutional rights to privacy that the Chinese people have - and pretty reasonably conclude that the FISA courts are going to be more rigorous than whatever China has.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  PRISM was WILLFULL cooperation with the feds by private companies. Other things snowden revealed made it clear the the feds were ALSO snooping inside the companies, and famously google encrypted their internal links and infra to stop it. Funny how they understand the importance of privacy, just not for you.