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It's all so emotional isn't it? If you rage harder maybe our Chinese people's life would magically become better. Or in fact you do not care as long as your s

It's all so emotional isn't it? If you rage harder maybe our Chinese people's life would magically become better. Or in fact you do not care as long as your shinny new toys are isolated from the poverty and suffering of the rest of the world and manufactured in your sunshine and rainbow and god's chosen America. Apple's success enabled Foxconn and other suppliers to employ literally millions of Chinese people, millions of otherwise poorer people to each send home $3000+ dollers per year. It's ugly, it could be better, some aspects of the factory life need immediate improvement even by Chinese standard, on humanitarian reasons alone. It has nothing to do with Apple's 100B reserve. It's not that Apple can not afford it. It's my country, China, with its vast under educated labor surplus can not afford the US dream, can not abandon low value add manufacturing industry.

georgieporgie 15y ago
Or in fact you do not care as long as your shinny new toys are isolated from the poverty and suffering of the rest of the world and manufactured in your sunshine and rainbow and god's chosen America. Instead of being a dick, why don't you read what I've written more closely? Manufacturing in the US is just one option, which I suggest because they insist that they can't possibly do anything to improve labor conditions at the Chinese factories. China, with its vast under educated labor surplus can not afford the US dream, can not abandon low value add manufacturing industry. Nobody is saying China should abandon its manufacturing industry. People are saying that labor conditions should be better. This can be done without destroying China's manufacturing sector.
- AllenKids 15y ago
  I'm an asshole, not a dick. Mind you. Apple can and is trying to improve the labor conditions at its supply chain. That's the whole point of its annul report. Foxconn is trying too. Those companies' primary goal is money, suicide workers cost a lot of money. Bad PR cost a lot of money. What's impossible is suddenly western standard living, what's impossible is immediate strict labor law enforcement, what's impossible is working condition the same level as in the US.
  - georgieporgie 15y ago
    What's impossible is suddenly western standard living Why do you, and others, keep bringing this up as if anyone asked for that?
    - AllenKids 15y ago
      Because in almost every article about Chinese Labor practice it was filled with details describing how horrible those dormitory livings were, using colorful words like slave-labor, soul-crushing etc. But to a lot of Chinese people, living in the complex certainly is not nice, but not unimaginably horrid either. I spent half of my college years with 7 other dudes in a room about 130 sqft, for example.
      - georgieporgie 15y ago
        I think you need to read more about the conditions at Foxconn. In college, you weren't doing mind-numbing 12 - 16 hour shifts, the same actions day after day after day until your body failed. You weren't blacklisted for complaining to whoever ran the facility. You weren't maimed by machinery and subsequently completely ignored. There is a lot to be done that has absolutely nothing to do with a "western standard of living".

georgieporgie 15y ago

Or in fact you do not care as long as your shinny new toys are isolated from the poverty and suffering of the rest of the world and manufactured in your sunshine and rainbow and god's chosen America. Instead of being a dick, why don't you read what I've written more closely? Manufacturing in the US is just one option, which I suggest because they insist that they can't possibly do anything to improve labor conditions at the Chinese factories. China, with its vast under educated labor surplus can not afford the US dream, can not abandon low value add manufacturing industry. Nobody is saying China should abandon its manufacturing industry. People are saying that labor conditions should be better. This can be done without destroying China's manufacturing sector.

AllenKids 15y ago
I'm an asshole, not a dick. Mind you. Apple can and is trying to improve the labor conditions at its supply chain. That's the whole point of its annul report. Foxconn is trying too. Those companies' primary goal is money, suicide workers cost a lot of money. Bad PR cost a lot of money. What's impossible is suddenly western standard living, what's impossible is immediate strict labor law enforcement, what's impossible is working condition the same level as in the US.
- georgieporgie 15y ago
  What's impossible is suddenly western standard living Why do you, and others, keep bringing this up as if anyone asked for that?
  - AllenKids 15y ago
    Because in almost every article about Chinese Labor practice it was filled with details describing how horrible those dormitory livings were, using colorful words like slave-labor, soul-crushing etc. But to a lot of Chinese people, living in the complex certainly is not nice, but not unimaginably horrid either. I spent half of my college years with 7 other dudes in a room about 130 sqft, for example.
    - georgieporgie 15y ago
      I think you need to read more about the conditions at Foxconn. In college, you weren't doing mind-numbing 12 - 16 hour shifts, the same actions day after day after day until your body failed. You weren't blacklisted for complaining to whoever ran the facility. You weren't maimed by machinery and subsequently completely ignored. There is a lot to be done that has absolutely nothing to do with a "western standard of living".