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What do they expect to happen if they win? OpenAI can't use GPT-4 (or build/release GPT-5), but the innovation will continue in areas of the world not subject t
by marcc 4y ago
What do they expect to happen if they win? OpenAI can't use GPT-4 (or build/release GPT-5), but the innovation will continue in areas of the world not subject to this regular?
I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. But that doesn't mean society should shut them down.
This is fearful behavior and spreading FUD really. These folks should take the time to understand how an LLM works before taking this action.
- zvonimirs 4y agoYea! Also, there will never be regulation that will stop open sourced LLMs from emerging that will be just as powerful and, one day, even more than GPT-4.
- CJefferson 4y agoYour argument is companies should be allowed to do anything they like, because there will be another country where they can abuse with impunity?
- nickthegreek 4y agoI think the argument is that no harm has actually been shown and there is no legal reason to have one of the fastest growing companies hamstrung while Big Tech gets it's shit together.
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- mmastrac 4y agoYour argument is so ridiculous and easy to disprove with even a moment's Google search that I wonder why you made it.
- eggsmediumrare 4y agoThere was a very thorough understanding of the theoretical harm, as there is with AI. Harm from the Trinity test was not shown until after Japan, again having parallels with AI considering we don't yet know the long-term harms that may occur due to existing, less powerful models. Would you mind sharing your contention instead of just telling me you googled something? My argument is also pretty clearly not that pedantic. I'm saying there was obviously going to be harm by the detonation of a nuclear weapon, but it wasn't technically shown until it was actually detonated. I'm saying the same thing is true of AI. You can disagree, but it's not _that_ ridiculous to compare the two.
- tiagod 4y agoBad example. Plenty of harm during tests.
- FrenchDevRemote 4y agoSEO spam and social media fake content are already pretty common, so there is definitely at least some harm
- fogoflove 4y agoI feel as if there needs to be data that demonstrates an explosion of SEO spam and social media fake content. People have been doing those things since we figured out we could -- LLMs are just exponentially better at it. If we're going to start using excuses for LLMs to get clipped, I think we should focus on the core of the problem, not the fact LLMs can enhance it.
- boringuser2 4y agoIt's a terrible argument. The harm is transparent and greatly eclipses most other threats to cybersecurity.
- nickthegreek 4y agoPlease list the harm that has been done. I do not see it as transparent.
- boringuser2 4y agoIf someone puts a gun to your head, what harm has been done? Well, the potential harm is only deniable by the biggest of shills, but, technically, the only harm is psychological.
- nickthegreek 4y agoEverything and I really do mean everything has potential harm. Is your position that OpenAI should have to suspend their business over this?
- boringuser2 4y agoDo you really see commensurate potential harm between an extreme scenario and a mundane one? The development of AGI is an extreme, extreme scenario.
- nickthegreek 4y agoIs your position that OpenAI should have to suspend their business over this?
- boringuser2 4y agoThese goalposts keep evolving.
- zvonimirs 4y agoDefinitely not - companies should be regulated but stopping the future releases is not possible when you have tech powerful as GPT.
- SuoDuanDao 4y agosounds like a sound argument, nonviolence isn't ignoring violence; You don't win a knife fight by declaring it a spirited debate; Darwin had a point; etc.
- tomjen3 4y agoWhere anything they like means publishing a text prediction engine that is pretty good?
- Veen 4y agoThey expect: - To be paid a lot of money by OpenAI to go away, or - To be paid a lot of money to have a role in vetting future AI products, or - To be paid a lot of money by wealthy individuals in the AI alignment camp, or - To be paid a lot of money by OpenAI's competitors to block research until they can catch up with OpenAI.
- marcc 4y agoInteresting. I hadn’t thought about this as a pure money grab yet.
- gabereiser 4y agoThis was my hot-take as well. The issue here is that OpenAI has some pretty large backers that know the FTC well. Not sure how this will pan out.
- elif 4y agoIt reminds me of a time when new ideas about spirituality and human position in the universe were so disruptive to the status quo operation of the church and kingdom of England that they were outlawed. And pilgrims abandoned all they had to cross a virtually unpassable ocean to seek empty land to build from scratch but with the freedom to continue experimenting with their new ideas. Funny how this country has come full circle.
- dilippkumar 4y ago> What do they expect to happen if they win? Most likely it’s a play to buy time for competition to catch up.
- rvz 4y ago> I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. This is exactly why LLMs aren't useful or trustworthy for anything serious other than the niche of summarization of existing text. Even with that, you have to keep checking that it isn't hallucinating or bullshitting. > These folks should take the time to understand how an LLM works before taking this action. Anyone who knows about deep neural networks already knows that fundamentally they are black-boxes and are extremely poor at explainability and reasoning. This also applies to LLMs and it is not 'FUD'.
- Veen 4y agoThey're useful for many things, provided the user is aware of their limitations. That's true of any tool or information source.
- boringuser2 4y agoGPT-4 is basically magic when it comes to code. Have you used it?
- gremlinsinc 4y agoIf you start with unit tests, you can have a looping ai just keep iterating code into a python file for example until it figures out how to pass the test, then all you need to do is write tests and the rest of the code writes itself.
- boringuser2 4y agoThese models are nakedly dangerous, even a cursory glance suggests this.