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Wikipedia: "Yudkowsky is an autodidact and did not attend high school or college. He was raised as a Modern Orthodox Jew" My comment isn't about Yudkowsky in p

Wikipedia: "Yudkowsky is an autodidact and did not attend high school or college. He was raised as a Modern Orthodox Jew" My comment isn't about Yudkowsky in particular since I don't know him, but I'm getting really tired of this relatively new phenomenon in America of home schooled religious devotees attempting to impose their half-baked views on the rest of us.

johnaspden 4y ago
I think it's fair to say that he is not an Orthodox Jew.
- labrador 4y ago
  Not that there's anything wrong with that. I worry more about Christian "end times" people because if you believe the world is about to end then why invest in the future for our children and grandchildren?
  - johnaspden 4y ago
    Back in the day when Eliezer was optimistic about AI (there's a reason why the SIAI/MIRI logo looks like an angel), I wrote him a very silly e-mail warning him that, despite being Jewish, he was falling for the Christian rapture narrative in a new form! It seemed to me that his ideas, which I think are all correct, straightforwardly implied the destruction of all things, with very little hope. I bite that bullet, and I always have. Over the years, Eliezer has lost all hope, and things have happened much faster than either of us thought they would, and now he's making one final roll of the dice, burning his reputation by saying out loud what he thinks, in the hope that someone might listen. I'd be very surprised if he thinks this will work. He's trying to get a warning out to the general population, in spite of this meaning that no one inside AI will ever trust him again. He thinks it no longer matters. Me too.
    - labrador 4y ago
      Very interesting and now I'm motivated to learn more about his thoughts. I developed a fascination with this kind of thinking since I gave a friend a ride to the San Francisco airport in 1978 in my VW bus so he could fly to Jonestown, Guyana to join the Jim Jones church. I never heard from him again. Don't know if he drank the Kool-Aid. Too bad too, because he was a fantastic drummer. I wonder if we'll have more mass suicides, like the Nike wearing techies following Marshall Applewhite, by those who fear it's hopeless to resist AI?
    - labrador 4y ago
      So I listened to the first 7:56 of this interview and imho he's out of his f*ckin' mind and spreading dangerous disinformation. "We don't know if there's a person in LLMs", "We understand more about the human mind that we do about LLMs despite having complete read access". He's insane. Nobody should listen to him. Eliezer Yudkowsky: Dangers of AI and the End of Human Civilization | Lex Fridman Podcast #368 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaTRHFaaPG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaTRHFaaPG8
edgyquant 4y ago
So home schooled and/or religious people shouldn’t be allowed to have their voice heard? Shouldn’t be allowed to put forth ideas?
- labrador 4y ago
  Of course they should. I just like them to be up front about them if they are far enough outside the mainstream that they might be somewhat surprising and we should consider how those beliefs inform the opinions they put forth. Peter Thiel is open about his and I respect him more for that. I worry about hidden agendas. https://www.google.com/search?q=peter+thiel+religious+beliefs https://www.google.com/search?q=peter+thiel+religious+belief...
  - famouswaffles 4y ago
    What an absurd paragraph i've just read lol. Many, Many things influence a person's opinions, religious or not. Why don't you tell me all about your life so i don't know you have some hidden agenda ? Like lol what exactly are you expecting here ? Why should that be some special announcement call you have to make with every article instead of the myriad of things that may influence a person's opinions ? If you don't like listening to the opinion of religious people then say that and get this over with. and nobody is imposing anything on you here.
    - labrador 4y ago
      I'm a person of little or no influence an no pretense to such. Here in America, it would have been nice if the last 3 Supreme Court justices had been honest about their agenda to overturn Roe v Wade because of their religious beliefs. Maybe you're a nihilist and think that someone with many followers can say whatever they want with no responsibility to others. You'd have a lot of company.
      - famouswaffles 4y ago
        You're not getting my point. This fear of a "hidden agenda" is ridiculous. Did you want roe v wade to be overturned ? Did you agree with any of the arguments supporting it that came forth ? I'm guessing no Evaluate what people are saying on what they are saying. If someone being religious (or insert anything here because lots of things influence opinions) would change your stance completely on something you already agree on then well there's a word for that and i think you can figure it out.

johnaspden 4y ago

I think it's fair to say that he is not an Orthodox Jew.

labrador 4y ago
Not that there's anything wrong with that. I worry more about Christian "end times" people because if you believe the world is about to end then why invest in the future for our children and grandchildren?
- johnaspden 4y ago
  Back in the day when Eliezer was optimistic about AI (there's a reason why the SIAI/MIRI logo looks like an angel), I wrote him a very silly e-mail warning him that, despite being Jewish, he was falling for the Christian rapture narrative in a new form! It seemed to me that his ideas, which I think are all correct, straightforwardly implied the destruction of all things, with very little hope. I bite that bullet, and I always have. Over the years, Eliezer has lost all hope, and things have happened much faster than either of us thought they would, and now he's making one final roll of the dice, burning his reputation by saying out loud what he thinks, in the hope that someone might listen. I'd be very surprised if he thinks this will work. He's trying to get a warning out to the general population, in spite of this meaning that no one inside AI will ever trust him again. He thinks it no longer matters. Me too.
  - labrador 4y ago
    Very interesting and now I'm motivated to learn more about his thoughts. I developed a fascination with this kind of thinking since I gave a friend a ride to the San Francisco airport in 1978 in my VW bus so he could fly to Jonestown, Guyana to join the Jim Jones church. I never heard from him again. Don't know if he drank the Kool-Aid. Too bad too, because he was a fantastic drummer. I wonder if we'll have more mass suicides, like the Nike wearing techies following Marshall Applewhite, by those who fear it's hopeless to resist AI?
  - labrador 4y ago
    So I listened to the first 7:56 of this interview and imho he's out of his f*ckin' mind and spreading dangerous disinformation. "We don't know if there's a person in LLMs", "We understand more about the human mind that we do about LLMs despite having complete read access". He's insane. Nobody should listen to him. Eliezer Yudkowsky: Dangers of AI and the End of Human Civilization | Lex Fridman Podcast #368 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaTRHFaaPG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaTRHFaaPG8

edgyquant 4y ago

So home schooled and/or religious people shouldn’t be allowed to have their voice heard? Shouldn’t be allowed to put forth ideas?

labrador 4y ago
Of course they should. I just like them to be up front about them if they are far enough outside the mainstream that they might be somewhat surprising and we should consider how those beliefs inform the opinions they put forth. Peter Thiel is open about his and I respect him more for that. I worry about hidden agendas. https://www.google.com/search?q=peter+thiel+religious+beliefs https://www.google.com/search?q=peter+thiel+religious+belief...
- famouswaffles 4y ago
  What an absurd paragraph i've just read lol. Many, Many things influence a person's opinions, religious or not. Why don't you tell me all about your life so i don't know you have some hidden agenda ? Like lol what exactly are you expecting here ? Why should that be some special announcement call you have to make with every article instead of the myriad of things that may influence a person's opinions ? If you don't like listening to the opinion of religious people then say that and get this over with. and nobody is imposing anything on you here.
  - labrador 4y ago
    I'm a person of little or no influence an no pretense to such. Here in America, it would have been nice if the last 3 Supreme Court justices had been honest about their agenda to overturn Roe v Wade because of their religious beliefs. Maybe you're a nihilist and think that someone with many followers can say whatever they want with no responsibility to others. You'd have a lot of company.
    - famouswaffles 4y ago
      You're not getting my point. This fear of a "hidden agenda" is ridiculous. Did you want roe v wade to be overturned ? Did you agree with any of the arguments supporting it that came forth ? I'm guessing no Evaluate what people are saying on what they are saying. If someone being religious (or insert anything here because lots of things influence opinions) would change your stance completely on something you already agree on then well there's a word for that and i think you can figure it out.