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You're missing the point. If even Singapore, where the problem of opiates being imported should be way easier to solve; if even they can't actually fix their pr

by zamnos 4y ago

You're missing the point. If even Singapore, where the problem of opiates being imported should be way easier to solve; if even they can't actually fix their problem and get that number to zero, what hope does the US have of fixing the problem? The US would end up spending trillions on border control and not actually fix the problem either, with less than nothing to show for it - several orders of magnitude increase in cost and wait times aren't going to be good for business or the county, and would end up costing us more money in lost business on top of the money spent on pointless expensive border upgrades, like a wall thats easily defeated.

lenkite 4y ago
"if even they can't actually fix their problem and get that number to zero" This is silly nonsense. There is no crime that can be made to zero. There is definitely crime that can be severely mitigated. You are throwing the towel on border security. Please don't make up stupid figures like trillions of dollars. Our border security budget is a fraction of the "Ukrainian War" budget. Exceed that first and you are free to complain.
- zamnos 4y ago
  You don't understand the scope of the problem and want to throw money down the drain in the name of border security. In order to meaningfully make a dent in the problem, given the size of the US-Canada and US-Mexico borders, and the East and West coastlines, and all of the international airports, and not just shift the problem around from one location to another, all of the border needs to be made more secure. I have no idea why you keep bringing up Ukraine either. You know we're shipping military hardware to them and not pallets of dollar bills right? What are we going to do instead of help Ukraine with that? Line up artillery shells on the border with Mexico and somehow that'll help the war on drugs? Talk about silly nonsense! Understand the scope of the problem first and you'll be free to think about how to meaningfully address the border situation.
  - lenkite 4y ago
    I know the amount the U.S govt is spending on border security vs the amount of money being spent on Ukrainian aid. One dwarves the other by a full order of magnitude - showing exactly where the real priorities lie - NOT for the U.S. citizen. No need for additional drug scanners at our ports or a border wall to reduce cartel trafficking. Who cares if tens-of-thousands of bright teenagers die of drugs being sent across the southern border ? We need Ukraine to crush Russia. RAWR. "You know we're shipping military hardware to them and not pallets of dollar bills right?" Ah.. but you are quite mistaken there. We are not just shipping military hardware. There is $30 billion in financial aid alone - and even far more being planned this year. Wow - thats more generous than many U.S. states receive for disasters.
    - lazyasciiart 4y ago
      You clearly have no idea how much money is spent on border security, given that the DHS budget is $50 billion, the Coast Guard another $10-15 billion, etc. every year.
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by zamnos 4y ago

lenkite 4y ago

"if even they can't actually fix their problem and get that number to zero" This is silly nonsense. There is no crime that can be made to zero. There is definitely crime that can be severely mitigated. You are throwing the towel on border security. Please don't make up stupid figures like trillions of dollars. Our border security budget is a fraction of the "Ukrainian War" budget. Exceed that first and you are free to complain.

zamnos 4y ago
You don't understand the scope of the problem and want to throw money down the drain in the name of border security. In order to meaningfully make a dent in the problem, given the size of the US-Canada and US-Mexico borders, and the East and West coastlines, and all of the international airports, and not just shift the problem around from one location to another, all of the border needs to be made more secure. I have no idea why you keep bringing up Ukraine either. You know we're shipping military hardware to them and not pallets of dollar bills right? What are we going to do instead of help Ukraine with that? Line up artillery shells on the border with Mexico and somehow that'll help the war on drugs? Talk about silly nonsense! Understand the scope of the problem first and you'll be free to think about how to meaningfully address the border situation.
- lenkite 4y ago
  I know the amount the U.S govt is spending on border security vs the amount of money being spent on Ukrainian aid. One dwarves the other by a full order of magnitude - showing exactly where the real priorities lie - NOT for the U.S. citizen. No need for additional drug scanners at our ports or a border wall to reduce cartel trafficking. Who cares if tens-of-thousands of bright teenagers die of drugs being sent across the southern border ? We need Ukraine to crush Russia. RAWR. "You know we're shipping military hardware to them and not pallets of dollar bills right?" Ah.. but you are quite mistaken there. We are not just shipping military hardware. There is $30 billion in financial aid alone - and even far more being planned this year. Wow - thats more generous than many U.S. states receive for disasters.
  - lazyasciiart 4y ago
    You clearly have no idea how much money is spent on border security, given that the DHS budget is $50 billion, the Coast Guard another $10-15 billion, etc. every year.
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