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If by hand coding you mean actually learning how computers work and writing competent code, yeah it's obsolete. Coding today is taking six dozen frameworks off

If by hand coding you mean actually learning how computers work and writing competent code, yeah it's obsolete. Coding today is taking six dozen frameworks off of Stack Overflow and abstractioning them together to solve all your problems.

fm2606 4y ago
This got a laugh out of me even though it is sad how true it is.
AstixAndBelix 4y ago
The funny thing is that would be decent if those frameworks were formally proven to work. Instead you're glueing together stuff that barely works on its own
- shapefrog 4y ago
  By the time the stuff I have glued together breaks down there is a new glue based solution that has been invented with all the buzzwords of the day that barely works. Makes me glad I didnt get too invested in the previous hacky solution.
CWuestefeld 4y ago
Your comment is a bit snarky, but absolutely true. I've been in the industry for nearly 40 years, and in that time I have NEVER directly programmed the computer - if I can define that as directly entering machine code, or even the mnemonic of assembler. The entire path of the industry has been about climbing up layers of abstraction. Back in the early 80s, for example, the hot thing was 4GLs, which was supposed to allow such a high level of abstraction as to put development into the hands of business analysts. Obviously that went nowhere. And LLM AIs are just one more step in this, albeit a potentially large one. As Carmack says, the real skill is to understand what you're trying to develop, how it relate to the needs of your users, and to apply this systematically. That understanding might be replaced at some point in the future, but that is not today.
bombolo 4y ago
https://xkcd.com/1988/ https://xkcd.com/1988/
cykros 4y ago
I was going to say, "hand coding" was on the way out once libraries were created, and it's just been accelerating since then.

fm2606 4y ago

This got a laugh out of me even though it is sad how true it is.

AstixAndBelix 4y ago

The funny thing is that would be decent if those frameworks were formally proven to work. Instead you're glueing together stuff that barely works on its own

shapefrog 4y ago
By the time the stuff I have glued together breaks down there is a new glue based solution that has been invented with all the buzzwords of the day that barely works. Makes me glad I didnt get too invested in the previous hacky solution.

CWuestefeld 4y ago

Your comment is a bit snarky, but absolutely true. I've been in the industry for nearly 40 years, and in that time I have NEVER directly programmed the computer - if I can define that as directly entering machine code, or even the mnemonic of assembler. The entire path of the industry has been about climbing up layers of abstraction. Back in the early 80s, for example, the hot thing was 4GLs, which was supposed to allow such a high level of abstraction as to put development into the hands of business analysts. Obviously that went nowhere. And LLM AIs are just one more step in this, albeit a potentially large one. As Carmack says, the real skill is to understand what you're trying to develop, how it relate to the needs of your users, and to apply this systematically. That understanding might be replaced at some point in the future, but that is not today.

bombolo 4y ago

https://xkcd.com/1988/ https://xkcd.com/1988/

cykros 4y ago

I was going to say, "hand coding" was on the way out once libraries were created, and it's just been accelerating since then.