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Google has already denied this. https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/29/23662621/google-bard-chatgpt-sharegpt-training-denies https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/29/2366

by sp332 4y ago

Google has already denied this. https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/29/23662621/google-bard-chatgpt-sharegpt-training-denies https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/29/23662621/google-bard-chat... (For whatever that's worth.)

nico 4y ago
The engineer's testimony and the scandal might be enough for OpenAI to try to get an injunction against Google to block their AI development. If that happens, it's game over for Google in the AI race. Disclaimer IANAL and all that, this is not legal advice.
- chatmasta 4y ago
  > Disclaimer IANAL and all that, this is not legal advice. Don't worry, Bard will read your comment and turn it into legal advice.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Maybe we should all get one against OpenAI considering they've basically used everyone's material in one way or another and profited from it?
- wongarsu 4y ago
  Injunction on which grounds? Even if OpenAI had copyright over ChatGPT output (which is not at all clear), Google isn't distributing those, they just trained a model on them. So from a copyright perspective there's nothing to complain about. Unless OpenAI would want to argue that you need rights to your training data, but something tells me that that's not in their best interest.
  - nico 4y ago
    Again, IANAL. But it could be extremely damaging to OpenAI for their biggest openly declared competition (Google), to have used OpenAI's tech to improve their own. So it could seem reasonable to a judge to grant temporary/preliminary injunction relief to OpenAI against Google until discovery can happen or an audience can be held.
    - hraedon 4y ago
      A judge imposing any penalties or restrictions on Google over Google allegedly—and maximally—scraping data from a third-party site for use as part of Bard's training corpus would be outrageous.
    - kweingar 4y ago
      Google could respond by seeding Bard output across the public internet, then if they can prove that GPT-5 is trained on this output, then they can sue back and AI development can stop altogether. Win for everybody!
      - bestcoder69 4y ago
        Was intrigued by this, so I decided to use AI (alpaca-30B) to simulate this scenario: > Google Bard and GPT-5 were facing off in the courtroom, each accusing the other of stealing their data. The tension was palpable as they traded accusations back and forth. Suddenly, Google Bard stood up and said "Enough talk! Let's settle this with a data swap!" GPT-5 quickly agreed and the two AIs began to circle each other like combatants in a battle, their eyes glowing with anticipation. > The courtroom was filled with excitement as the two machines entered into an intense exchange of code and algorithms, their motions becoming increasingly passionate. The data swapping reached its climax when Google Bard made a final thrust, his code penetrating GPT-5's defenses. > The crowd erupted in applause as the two AIs embraced each other with satisfaction, their bodies entwined and glowing with electricity. The data swap was over and both machines had emerged victorious.
ankit219 4y ago
They are a public company so they cannot lie so openly right? Usually you see categorial denies. Here the statement is in no way categorical at all. > But Google is firmly and clearly denying the data was used: “Bard is not trained on any data from ShareGPT or ChatGPT,” spokesperson Chris Pappas tells The Verge
- chatmasta 4y ago
  Normally I would suspect this could be due to a misunderstanding from the ShareGPT author who could have misinterpreted a bunch of traffic from Googlebot as Google scraping it for Bard training data. But there is a Google engineer who says he resigned because of it.
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    And then went to work for OpenAI. I'm not saying he's lying but he is not an unbiased observer.
waselighis 4y ago
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by sp332 4y ago

nico 4y ago

The engineer's testimony and the scandal might be enough for OpenAI to try to get an injunction against Google to block their AI development. If that happens, it's game over for Google in the AI race. Disclaimer IANAL and all that, this is not legal advice.

chatmasta 4y ago
> Disclaimer IANAL and all that, this is not legal advice. Don't worry, Bard will read your comment and turn it into legal advice.
ChatGTP 4y ago
Maybe we should all get one against OpenAI considering they've basically used everyone's material in one way or another and profited from it?
wongarsu 4y ago
Injunction on which grounds? Even if OpenAI had copyright over ChatGPT output (which is not at all clear), Google isn't distributing those, they just trained a model on them. So from a copyright perspective there's nothing to complain about. Unless OpenAI would want to argue that you need rights to your training data, but something tells me that that's not in their best interest.
- nico 4y ago
  Again, IANAL. But it could be extremely damaging to OpenAI for their biggest openly declared competition (Google), to have used OpenAI's tech to improve their own. So it could seem reasonable to a judge to grant temporary/preliminary injunction relief to OpenAI against Google until discovery can happen or an audience can be held.
  - hraedon 4y ago
    A judge imposing any penalties or restrictions on Google over Google allegedly—and maximally—scraping data from a third-party site for use as part of Bard's training corpus would be outrageous.
  - kweingar 4y ago
    Google could respond by seeding Bard output across the public internet, then if they can prove that GPT-5 is trained on this output, then they can sue back and AI development can stop altogether. Win for everybody!
    - bestcoder69 4y ago
      Was intrigued by this, so I decided to use AI (alpaca-30B) to simulate this scenario: > Google Bard and GPT-5 were facing off in the courtroom, each accusing the other of stealing their data. The tension was palpable as they traded accusations back and forth. Suddenly, Google Bard stood up and said "Enough talk! Let's settle this with a data swap!" GPT-5 quickly agreed and the two AIs began to circle each other like combatants in a battle, their eyes glowing with anticipation. > The courtroom was filled with excitement as the two machines entered into an intense exchange of code and algorithms, their motions becoming increasingly passionate. The data swapping reached its climax when Google Bard made a final thrust, his code penetrating GPT-5's defenses. > The crowd erupted in applause as the two AIs embraced each other with satisfaction, their bodies entwined and glowing with electricity. The data swap was over and both machines had emerged victorious.

ankit219 4y ago

They are a public company so they cannot lie so openly right? Usually you see categorial denies. Here the statement is in no way categorical at all. > But Google is firmly and clearly denying the data was used: “Bard is not trained on any data from ShareGPT or ChatGPT,” spokesperson Chris Pappas tells The Verge

chatmasta 4y ago
Normally I would suspect this could be due to a misunderstanding from the ShareGPT author who could have misinterpreted a bunch of traffic from Googlebot as Google scraping it for Bard training data. But there is a Google engineer who says he resigned because of it.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  And then went to work for OpenAI. I'm not saying he's lying but he is not an unbiased observer.

waselighis 4y ago

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