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My dude, if you wanna pretend like the greater macro trends have no effects on large swaths of business then be my guest but businesses in may different vertica

by lbotos 4y ago

My dude, if you wanna pretend like the greater macro trends have no effects on large swaths of business then be my guest but businesses in may different verticals are prepping for less sales. It's whats happening. You can la la la "businesses are dumb and no one is a free thinker" all you want but that only hurts you. No business is an island. I'm not parroting what I've read others say. I'm sharing my LIVED EXPERIENCE from a company that is like EA. Go look at my profile and look at the news. This place used to feel like we had some nerds that really wanted to understand business. I'm sad that acknowledging simple macro trends is not considered table stakes anymore.

kevviiinn 4y ago
So they specifically told you that they were doing layoffs because interest rates went up?
- lbotos 4y ago
  I'm not at liberty to share those discussions with you, but I respect you for asking. I can point you to what was shared with the public: "The current macroeconomic environment is tough, and as a result, companies are still spending but they are taking a more conservative approach to software investments and are taking more time to make purchasing decisions." Do you think that's a lie? Some businesses have stacks of dollars, but how fast will that value be inflated away? Some businesses don't and rely on credit to cover payroll. That just got more expensive due to interest rates. Our CEO said "Businesses are making decisions differently". Or said another way: The Macro environment has effects to all businesses. Your original dunk attempt was "everybody, myself included is just parrotting and blindly following" and I attempted to explain to you that everyone is in this new macro environment (driven by the changes to cost of money, as well as increased money supply) together and is adjusting business expectations accordingly. Do you think interest rates and the influences to macro env are not the driving factor impacting business decisions right now? Would love to hear what your contrary thoughts are beyond "business leaders are all sheep, myself included".
  - kevviiinn 4y ago
    Macroeconomic environment can also be equated to rising cost of salaries in general, salaries can be reduced by increasing competition in the workforce through large layoffs. If a company can't afford to continue paying large salaries they can easily reduce that cost through laying people off at the same time as other companies
    - lbotos 4y ago
      I'll ask you one rhetorical question and then I'm going to stop arguing with you because you refuse to connect the dots for some fantastic hoop-jumping: - What is driving the cost of salaries raising? In "normal times" you might say competition and cost of living. Cost of living is... inflation. Right now, with our increased money supply, inflation is much higher than it's been for a while, and that is a large driving factor for people demanding more salary. This is where interest rates play in to layoffs. This concurs with your points that laying off people could create more competition in the market which means some folks may consider a job for slightly less pay vs. no job at all. But you've run circles trying to pretend like interest rates are not a factor in this, and I'm not gonna waste any more of my time explaining that to you. There is enough commentary from others here and everywhere else, you are just refusing to believe it.
      - kevviiinn 4y ago
        Of course I refuse to believe it, just because a bunch of people are parroting the same line doesn't make it correct. Inflation is being driven by corporations who have been increasing prices since the pandemic, they've had record profits at the expense of everyone's cost of living [0,1] and even landlords have been colluding [4] to raise rents on people even though they can't afford it, I mean where will they go as one property management company asked in a business call [3]. Even Forbes doesn't take the opportunity to blame the fed in this instance, which is kinda funny to me, but being a mouthpiece for capital they of course point the finger at supply constraints with some fancy graphs [2]. [0] https://abcnews.go.com/US/record-corporate-profits-driving-inflation/story?id=87121327 https://abcnews.go.com/US/record-corporate-profits-driving-i... [1] https://abcnews.go.com/US/record-corporate-profits-driving-inflation/story?id=87121327 https://abcnews.go.com/US/record-corporate-profits-driving-i... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/09/30/what-is-really-driving-inflation-today/?sh=73e5cd1480f9 https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/09/30/what-i... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-evictions-monarch-investment-rental-properties/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-evictions-monarch-in... [4] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/company-that-makes-rent-setting-software-for-landlords-sued-for-collusion/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/company-that-mak... And this is all ignoring the fact that you insinuate that your own conclusion is wrong with the line : >In "normal times" you might say...

by lbotos 4y ago

kevviiinn 4y ago

So they specifically told you that they were doing layoffs because interest rates went up?

lbotos 4y ago
I'm not at liberty to share those discussions with you, but I respect you for asking. I can point you to what was shared with the public: "The current macroeconomic environment is tough, and as a result, companies are still spending but they are taking a more conservative approach to software investments and are taking more time to make purchasing decisions." Do you think that's a lie? Some businesses have stacks of dollars, but how fast will that value be inflated away? Some businesses don't and rely on credit to cover payroll. That just got more expensive due to interest rates. Our CEO said "Businesses are making decisions differently". Or said another way: The Macro environment has effects to all businesses. Your original dunk attempt was "everybody, myself included is just parrotting and blindly following" and I attempted to explain to you that everyone is in this new macro environment (driven by the changes to cost of money, as well as increased money supply) together and is adjusting business expectations accordingly. Do you think interest rates and the influences to macro env are not the driving factor impacting business decisions right now? Would love to hear what your contrary thoughts are beyond "business leaders are all sheep, myself included".
- kevviiinn 4y ago
  Macroeconomic environment can also be equated to rising cost of salaries in general, salaries can be reduced by increasing competition in the workforce through large layoffs. If a company can't afford to continue paying large salaries they can easily reduce that cost through laying people off at the same time as other companies
  - lbotos 4y ago
    I'll ask you one rhetorical question and then I'm going to stop arguing with you because you refuse to connect the dots for some fantastic hoop-jumping: - What is driving the cost of salaries raising? In "normal times" you might say competition and cost of living. Cost of living is... inflation. Right now, with our increased money supply, inflation is much higher than it's been for a while, and that is a large driving factor for people demanding more salary. This is where interest rates play in to layoffs. This concurs with your points that laying off people could create more competition in the market which means some folks may consider a job for slightly less pay vs. no job at all. But you've run circles trying to pretend like interest rates are not a factor in this, and I'm not gonna waste any more of my time explaining that to you. There is enough commentary from others here and everywhere else, you are just refusing to believe it.
    - kevviiinn 4y ago
      Of course I refuse to believe it, just because a bunch of people are parroting the same line doesn't make it correct. Inflation is being driven by corporations who have been increasing prices since the pandemic, they've had record profits at the expense of everyone's cost of living [0,1] and even landlords have been colluding [4] to raise rents on people even though they can't afford it, I mean where will they go as one property management company asked in a business call [3]. Even Forbes doesn't take the opportunity to blame the fed in this instance, which is kinda funny to me, but being a mouthpiece for capital they of course point the finger at supply constraints with some fancy graphs [2]. [0] https://abcnews.go.com/US/record-corporate-profits-driving-inflation/story?id=87121327 https://abcnews.go.com/US/record-corporate-profits-driving-i... [1] https://abcnews.go.com/US/record-corporate-profits-driving-inflation/story?id=87121327 https://abcnews.go.com/US/record-corporate-profits-driving-i... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/09/30/what-is-really-driving-inflation-today/?sh=73e5cd1480f9 https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/09/30/what-i... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-evictions-monarch-investment-rental-properties/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-evictions-monarch-in... [4] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/company-that-makes-rent-setting-software-for-landlords-sued-for-collusion/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/company-that-mak... And this is all ignoring the fact that you insinuate that your own conclusion is wrong with the line : >In "normal times" you might say...