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And? As long it gets the job done, problem solved. Using a 2.5tons F150 guzzling 12l/100km to buy grocery or commute should not be seen as the ultimate goal.

by shakow 4y ago

And? As long it gets the job done, problem solved. Using a 2.5tons F150 guzzling 12l/100km to buy grocery or commute should not be seen as the ultimate goal. Just for fun: most sold car in the US (F150) vs. most sold car in France (208) https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/peugeot-208-2019-5-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f150-2014-4-door-pickup-supercrew-5.5/ https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/peugeot-208-2019-5-...

tyingq 4y ago
I would guess GP was talking about safety, not trying to promote oversized cars. Edit: There's a specific bottom end part of the market with small Chinese cars that have horrible safety problems.
- CalRobert 4y ago
  To be fair, smaller cars are safer.
  - sgent 4y ago
    Depends on what you mean by safer. If you are hitting an F-150 you will be safer in a F-150 yourself than a smartcar. If you are a pedestrian you would rather be hit by a smartcar. Many of these Chinese vehicles have the safety features of a 1950's era vehicle, so without airbags, good construction techniques for absorbing force, etc. I imagine they would all get horrible safety ratings by Consumer Reports.
  - wil421 4y ago
    A lot of Chinese golf carts would not pass US or EU crash test standards.
    - shakow 4y ago
      That's a fair point. However, if energy scarcity pushes us globally toward a situation where we need more essential cars for slower, shorter routes, then it would make sense to downgrade a bit those tests, as the typical use would be closer to a Topolino driving 70km/h on a country road than an M8 dashing at 170km/h on the highway.
FuriouslyAdrift 4y ago
The F-150 has gone EV for 2023 https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/ https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/
- shakow 4y ago
  It's still a huge heavy vehicle that is everything but aerodynamic. Having it as the average Joe's car is aberrant.
  - Kon-Peki 4y ago
    The electric F-150 is a niche vehicle and Ford is only pretending it is for the mass market. Their massive Tennessee factory, currently under construction, will be producing their mass market truck: https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/03/24/ford-to-build-next-electric-truck--project-t3--at-blueoval-city-.html?cid=BOC-2023-03-24 https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023...
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      It'll still weigh well over 2 tons, if not 3.
wil421 4y ago
You’re are wrong it is not the F150 it is that F series which includes all the work truck models like 250, 350, fleet vehicles etc.
- shakow 4y ago
  Technically you're right, practically #2 and #3 are the Ram and the Silverado, so it does not really change my argument. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-cars-2022/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car...

by shakow 4y ago

tyingq 4y ago

I would guess GP was talking about safety, not trying to promote oversized cars. Edit: There's a specific bottom end part of the market with small Chinese cars that have horrible safety problems.

CalRobert 4y ago
To be fair, smaller cars are safer.
- sgent 4y ago
  Depends on what you mean by safer. If you are hitting an F-150 you will be safer in a F-150 yourself than a smartcar. If you are a pedestrian you would rather be hit by a smartcar. Many of these Chinese vehicles have the safety features of a 1950's era vehicle, so without airbags, good construction techniques for absorbing force, etc. I imagine they would all get horrible safety ratings by Consumer Reports.
- wil421 4y ago
  A lot of Chinese golf carts would not pass US or EU crash test standards.
  - shakow 4y ago
    That's a fair point. However, if energy scarcity pushes us globally toward a situation where we need more essential cars for slower, shorter routes, then it would make sense to downgrade a bit those tests, as the typical use would be closer to a Topolino driving 70km/h on a country road than an M8 dashing at 170km/h on the highway.

FuriouslyAdrift 4y ago

The F-150 has gone EV for 2023 https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/ https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/

shakow 4y ago
It's still a huge heavy vehicle that is everything but aerodynamic. Having it as the average Joe's car is aberrant.
- Kon-Peki 4y ago
  The electric F-150 is a niche vehicle and Ford is only pretending it is for the mass market. Their massive Tennessee factory, currently under construction, will be producing their mass market truck: https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/03/24/ford-to-build-next-electric-truck--project-t3--at-blueoval-city-.html?cid=BOC-2023-03-24 https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023...
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    It'll still weigh well over 2 tons, if not 3.

wil421 4y ago

You’re are wrong it is not the F150 it is that F series which includes all the work truck models like 250, 350, fleet vehicles etc.

shakow 4y ago
Technically you're right, practically #2 and #3 are the Ram and the Silverado, so it does not really change my argument. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-cars-2022/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car...