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Russia is a single party dictatorship, they don't have bills. The US is a bipartisan, democratic system where members of Congress can draft a proposal for a ne

Russia is a single party dictatorship, they don't have bills. The US is a bipartisan, democratic system where members of Congress can draft a proposal for a new law and send it to both the Senate and House for voting. It's a rigorous process with lost of scrutiny and debate. As a result the majority of bills, 96% of them actually, get killed before they reach the president's desk. The other 4% become law only after lots of changes and amendments. So no, nothing remotely similar to what you have in Russia.

vkou 4y ago
It's nothing remotely similar to modern Russia, it's more similar to Stalinist USSR, where reading the wrong foreign thing was punishable with imprisonment. This bill criminalizes access to censured foreign media. > So no, nothing remotely similar to what you have in Russia. Correct, it's worse. As of 2023, I don't believe people go to prison, (or get disappeared, shoved out of windows, or end up with terminal cases of polonium poisoning) for reading in Russia.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > bill criminalizes access to censured foreign media That wasn’t my reading. It criminalises helping people circumvent the investment limits.
  - scotty79 4y ago
    Like setting up a VPN account for your kid or spause so that they can do tiktok?
  - sudosysgen 4y ago
    Read the bill again and more carefully. It's easy to assume that transactions are financial in nature, but the bill defines data transmission as a transaction.
- Mizoguchi 4y ago
  The bill doesn't criminalize anything, because it is not a law for god sake. It's a proposal for a law that a small group of lawmakers drafted. That draft is then reviewed, if it has any merit it goes to the House where needs to be debated, changed and voted, then goes to the Senate to repeat the process, before it can be sent to the president to turn into law. Some bills are ridiculously bold, that's why very few become law and ZERO of them without lots of amendments. Bold bills like this one get picked up by the media for obvious reasons, and some people read it like it's an imminent law to be enacted and enforced. It is important to read them of course and to know who's behind them, because in America we have the opportunity to call our representatives to raise our concerns and complain. It is not the first bold bill to be drafted and won't be the last one, that's why 96% bills don't go anywhere. This is how our system works since 1789. My wife is Russian by the way and grew up in the Soviet Union, so don't be ridiculous saying stuff like this.
  - vkou 4y ago
    You're splitting hairs. We're all aware that bills receive multiple readings. The point is that this will be an utterly horrifying piece of legislature, and in any free society, should never even have gotten a first pass in this state. > so don't be ridiculous saying stuff like this. I'll stop saying ridiculous stuff when lawmakers stop putting those ridiculous things into their bills.
  - FpUser 4y ago
    >"My wife is Russian by the way and grew up in the Soviet Union, so don't be ridiculous saying stuff like this" I was born and raised in USSR until I left so fucking what? What's the point in bringing your wife's background?
ihatepython 4y ago
> The US is a bipartisan, democratic system where members of Congress can draft a proposal for a new law and send it to both the Senate and House for voting. > It's a rigorous process with lost of scrutiny and debate. Do you also still believe in Santa Claus?
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Listen, what we have isn't perfect and can be improved, but it's lightyears ahead of whatever """democracy""" russia claims to have. Where in russia can you publicly decry the "you can't badmouth the military" law that was passed during the war? Where can you recall your local politician for voting against your interests? Who can "impeach" putin in russia? We may suck at using the tools we have available, because americans are apathetic and kinda lazy and often purposely disenfranchised, but the tools are like 80% of the way there.
  - ihatepython 4y ago
    Can Americans talk about Hunter Biden's laptop? Is Matt Taibbi being targeted by the IRS because of the Twitter Files? Was it permitted to question COVID? Or the vaccines? Is it allowed to question the Russia-Ukraine war narrative and call it a proxy-war? Is it allowed to say that Zelensky is extremely corrupt and simply pocketing all the money? Is it allowed to talk about the Ukrainian nazis? Are Americans allowed to vote on whether or not to give endless amounts of money to Ukraine? And on and on
gdy 4y ago
What I meant is that if this draft becomes a law, you'd have even worse law than what we have in Russia now. The sad fact is that in the present day United States proposing such a law is not a political suicide.
lamp987 4y ago
not sure if satire...

vkou 4y ago

It's nothing remotely similar to modern Russia, it's more similar to Stalinist USSR, where reading the wrong foreign thing was punishable with imprisonment. This bill criminalizes access to censured foreign media. > So no, nothing remotely similar to what you have in Russia. Correct, it's worse. As of 2023, I don't believe people go to prison, (or get disappeared, shoved out of windows, or end up with terminal cases of polonium poisoning) for reading in Russia.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> bill criminalizes access to censured foreign media That wasn’t my reading. It criminalises helping people circumvent the investment limits.
- scotty79 4y ago
  Like setting up a VPN account for your kid or spause so that they can do tiktok?
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  Read the bill again and more carefully. It's easy to assume that transactions are financial in nature, but the bill defines data transmission as a transaction.
Mizoguchi 4y ago
The bill doesn't criminalize anything, because it is not a law for god sake. It's a proposal for a law that a small group of lawmakers drafted. That draft is then reviewed, if it has any merit it goes to the House where needs to be debated, changed and voted, then goes to the Senate to repeat the process, before it can be sent to the president to turn into law. Some bills are ridiculously bold, that's why very few become law and ZERO of them without lots of amendments. Bold bills like this one get picked up by the media for obvious reasons, and some people read it like it's an imminent law to be enacted and enforced. It is important to read them of course and to know who's behind them, because in America we have the opportunity to call our representatives to raise our concerns and complain. It is not the first bold bill to be drafted and won't be the last one, that's why 96% bills don't go anywhere. This is how our system works since 1789. My wife is Russian by the way and grew up in the Soviet Union, so don't be ridiculous saying stuff like this.
- vkou 4y ago
  You're splitting hairs. We're all aware that bills receive multiple readings. The point is that this will be an utterly horrifying piece of legislature, and in any free society, should never even have gotten a first pass in this state. > so don't be ridiculous saying stuff like this. I'll stop saying ridiculous stuff when lawmakers stop putting those ridiculous things into their bills.
- FpUser 4y ago
  >"My wife is Russian by the way and grew up in the Soviet Union, so don't be ridiculous saying stuff like this" I was born and raised in USSR until I left so fucking what? What's the point in bringing your wife's background?

ihatepython 4y ago

> The US is a bipartisan, democratic system where members of Congress can draft a proposal for a new law and send it to both the Senate and House for voting. > It's a rigorous process with lost of scrutiny and debate. Do you also still believe in Santa Claus?

mrguyorama 4y ago
Listen, what we have isn't perfect and can be improved, but it's lightyears ahead of whatever """democracy""" russia claims to have. Where in russia can you publicly decry the "you can't badmouth the military" law that was passed during the war? Where can you recall your local politician for voting against your interests? Who can "impeach" putin in russia? We may suck at using the tools we have available, because americans are apathetic and kinda lazy and often purposely disenfranchised, but the tools are like 80% of the way there.
- ihatepython 4y ago
  Can Americans talk about Hunter Biden's laptop? Is Matt Taibbi being targeted by the IRS because of the Twitter Files? Was it permitted to question COVID? Or the vaccines? Is it allowed to question the Russia-Ukraine war narrative and call it a proxy-war? Is it allowed to say that Zelensky is extremely corrupt and simply pocketing all the money? Is it allowed to talk about the Ukrainian nazis? Are Americans allowed to vote on whether or not to give endless amounts of money to Ukraine? And on and on

gdy 4y ago

What I meant is that if this draft becomes a law, you'd have even worse law than what we have in Russia now. The sad fact is that in the present day United States proposing such a law is not a political suicide.

lamp987 4y ago

not sure if satire...