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Describing IA as a "pirated books scheme" and the ACLU's case selection guidelines as "retreating from the first amendment" is some pretty heavily weighted lang

Describing IA as a "pirated books scheme" and the ACLU's case selection guidelines as "retreating from the first amendment" is some pretty heavily weighted language that... I dare say sort of feels like misinformation or misinterpretation. I'm personally not even a big fan of the ACLU but you're really taking an inch and turning it into a mile here which feels kind of unnecessary.

jjcon 4y ago
Neither of these are just my personal hot takes. EFF and IA are far and away on the wrong side of the law here regardless of jurisdiction or interpretation. You can't say that is just my personal "misinformation" when they were just ruled against by a US district judge on the merits of the case: https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-rules-internet-archives-digital-book-lending-violates-copyrights-2023-03-25/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-rules-internet-archiv... Former board member of ACLU on the current ACLU: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aclu-retreats-from-free-expression-1529533065 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aclu-retreats-from-free-exp...
- Kbelicius 4y ago
  Regarding EEF and IA you seem to be conflating law and morality.
  - jjcon 4y ago
    The law is informed by human morality, they both retreated from upholding the law and in my opinion they lose the moral high ground simultaneously. That isn’t conflating, that’s stating what they did legally and then also stating my moral opinion on the matter
tsimionescu 4y ago
They're not describing IA itself as a "pirated books scheme", they are describing IA's online book lending program for books they didn't have as a "pirated books scheme". And the ACLU has recently voted to stop protecting the 1st Ammendment rights of those expressing certain hostile opinions relatively recently, so I think that description is quite apt as well.
brucethemoose2 4y ago
Not to speak of the mountain of good from both organizations. I dont think the EFF has ever said something I disagree with.

jjcon 4y ago

Neither of these are just my personal hot takes. EFF and IA are far and away on the wrong side of the law here regardless of jurisdiction or interpretation. You can't say that is just my personal "misinformation" when they were just ruled against by a US district judge on the merits of the case: https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-rules-internet-archives-digital-book-lending-violates-copyrights-2023-03-25/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-rules-internet-archiv... Former board member of ACLU on the current ACLU: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aclu-retreats-from-free-expression-1529533065 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aclu-retreats-from-free-exp...

Kbelicius 4y ago
Regarding EEF and IA you seem to be conflating law and morality.
- jjcon 4y ago
  The law is informed by human morality, they both retreated from upholding the law and in my opinion they lose the moral high ground simultaneously. That isn’t conflating, that’s stating what they did legally and then also stating my moral opinion on the matter

tsimionescu 4y ago

They're not describing IA itself as a "pirated books scheme", they are describing IA's online book lending program for books they didn't have as a "pirated books scheme". And the ACLU has recently voted to stop protecting the 1st Ammendment rights of those expressing certain hostile opinions relatively recently, so I think that description is quite apt as well.

brucethemoose2 4y ago

Not to speak of the mountain of good from both organizations. I dont think the EFF has ever said something I disagree with.