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authoritarianism always arrives with the same rhetoric of needing to 'protect the people'

by hunglee2 4y ago

Y_Y 4y ago
"Won't somebody _please_ think of the children?"
- lynx23 4y ago
  That is exactly how you weaponize women and family-centric males. Use the big-eyes-trigger and you are set to go.
  - Aachen 4y ago
    One doesn't have to be family-centric or female to care about children. This sounds like you consider the aforementioned groups easily manipulated. Not sure if I'm understanding your intended meaning correctly.
    - lynx23 4y ago
      Yes, I totally consider the mentioned groups easily manipulated... Not a surprise, given that there is actually hormonal-bonding between parents and their kids. Why do you think they are not special in this regard?
marginalia_nu 4y ago
Does it though? I can think of several instances where it's arrived with calls of ousting a corrupt government. Military coups are invariably authoritarian and often motivated this way.
gdy 4y ago
Yeah, the law sounds similar to what we've got in Russia. Don't go this road, guys. Update: Read the article a bit further and it says they could criminalize the use of VPN. Even here in Russia we don't have this. At least for now)
- Mizoguchi 4y ago
  Russia is a single party dictatorship, they don't have bills. The US is a bipartisan, democratic system where members of Congress can draft a proposal for a new law and send it to both the Senate and House for voting. It's a rigorous process with lost of scrutiny and debate. As a result the majority of bills, 96% of them actually, get killed before they reach the president's desk. The other 4% become law only after lots of changes and amendments. So no, nothing remotely similar to what you have in Russia.
  - vkou 4y ago
    It's nothing remotely similar to modern Russia, it's more similar to Stalinist USSR, where reading the wrong foreign thing was punishable with imprisonment. This bill criminalizes access to censured foreign media. > So no, nothing remotely similar to what you have in Russia. Correct, it's worse. As of 2023, I don't believe people go to prison, (or get disappeared, shoved out of windows, or end up with terminal cases of polonium poisoning) for reading in Russia.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > bill criminalizes access to censured foreign media That wasn’t my reading. It criminalises helping people circumvent the investment limits.
      - scotty79 4y ago
        Like setting up a VPN account for your kid or spause so that they can do tiktok?
      - sudosysgen 4y ago
        Read the bill again and more carefully. It's easy to assume that transactions are financial in nature, but the bill defines data transmission as a transaction.
    - Mizoguchi 4y ago
      The bill doesn't criminalize anything, because it is not a law for god sake. It's a proposal for a law that a small group of lawmakers drafted. That draft is then reviewed, if it has any merit it goes to the House where needs to be debated, changed and voted, then goes to the Senate to repeat the process, before it can be sent to the president to turn into law. Some bills are ridiculously bold, that's why very few become law and ZERO of them without lots of amendments. Bold bills like this one get picked up by the media for obvious reasons, and some people read it like it's an imminent law to be enacted and enforced. It is important to read them of course and to know who's behind them, because in America we have the opportunity to call our representatives to raise our concerns and complain. It is not the first bold bill to be drafted and won't be the last one, that's why 96% bills don't go anywhere. This is how our system works since 1789. My wife is Russian by the way and grew up in the Soviet Union, so don't be ridiculous saying stuff like this.
Mizoguchi 4y ago
I grew up in authoritarianism and believe me, there's no such thing as "bills" that get debated by a partisan system, voted then (if accepted by both house and senate) passed to the president to sign into law. In authoritarianism the single party announces and enforces the new law overnight.
- hunglee2 4y ago
  authoritarianism is a technique, not a system. All systems of governance think of themselves as 'democratic', until they're not
- account42 4y ago
  Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich Commenced 23 March 1933 First chamber: Reichstag Passed 23 March 1933 Second chamber: Reichsrat Passed 23 March 1933

authoritarianism always arrives with the same rhetoric of needing to 'protect the people'

Y_Y 4y ago

"Won't somebody _please_ think of the children?"

lynx23 4y ago
That is exactly how you weaponize women and family-centric males. Use the big-eyes-trigger and you are set to go.
- Aachen 4y ago
  One doesn't have to be family-centric or female to care about children. This sounds like you consider the aforementioned groups easily manipulated. Not sure if I'm understanding your intended meaning correctly.
  - lynx23 4y ago
    Yes, I totally consider the mentioned groups easily manipulated... Not a surprise, given that there is actually hormonal-bonding between parents and their kids. Why do you think they are not special in this regard?

marginalia_nu 4y ago

Does it though? I can think of several instances where it's arrived with calls of ousting a corrupt government. Military coups are invariably authoritarian and often motivated this way.

gdy 4y ago

Yeah, the law sounds similar to what we've got in Russia. Don't go this road, guys. Update: Read the article a bit further and it says they could criminalize the use of VPN. Even here in Russia we don't have this. At least for now)

Mizoguchi 4y ago
Russia is a single party dictatorship, they don't have bills. The US is a bipartisan, democratic system where members of Congress can draft a proposal for a new law and send it to both the Senate and House for voting. It's a rigorous process with lost of scrutiny and debate. As a result the majority of bills, 96% of them actually, get killed before they reach the president's desk. The other 4% become law only after lots of changes and amendments. So no, nothing remotely similar to what you have in Russia.
- vkou 4y ago
  It's nothing remotely similar to modern Russia, it's more similar to Stalinist USSR, where reading the wrong foreign thing was punishable with imprisonment. This bill criminalizes access to censured foreign media. > So no, nothing remotely similar to what you have in Russia. Correct, it's worse. As of 2023, I don't believe people go to prison, (or get disappeared, shoved out of windows, or end up with terminal cases of polonium poisoning) for reading in Russia.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > bill criminalizes access to censured foreign media That wasn’t my reading. It criminalises helping people circumvent the investment limits.
    - scotty79 4y ago
      Like setting up a VPN account for your kid or spause so that they can do tiktok?
    - sudosysgen 4y ago
      Read the bill again and more carefully. It's easy to assume that transactions are financial in nature, but the bill defines data transmission as a transaction.
  - Mizoguchi 4y ago
    The bill doesn't criminalize anything, because it is not a law for god sake. It's a proposal for a law that a small group of lawmakers drafted. That draft is then reviewed, if it has any merit it goes to the House where needs to be debated, changed and voted, then goes to the Senate to repeat the process, before it can be sent to the president to turn into law. Some bills are ridiculously bold, that's why very few become law and ZERO of them without lots of amendments. Bold bills like this one get picked up by the media for obvious reasons, and some people read it like it's an imminent law to be enacted and enforced. It is important to read them of course and to know who's behind them, because in America we have the opportunity to call our representatives to raise our concerns and complain. It is not the first bold bill to be drafted and won't be the last one, that's why 96% bills don't go anywhere. This is how our system works since 1789. My wife is Russian by the way and grew up in the Soviet Union, so don't be ridiculous saying stuff like this.

Mizoguchi 4y ago

I grew up in authoritarianism and believe me, there's no such thing as "bills" that get debated by a partisan system, voted then (if accepted by both house and senate) passed to the president to sign into law. In authoritarianism the single party announces and enforces the new law overnight.

hunglee2 4y ago
authoritarianism is a technique, not a system. All systems of governance think of themselves as 'democratic', until they're not
account42 4y ago
Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich Commenced 23 March 1933 First chamber: Reichstag Passed 23 March 1933 Second chamber: Reichsrat Passed 23 March 1933