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Soviet Union, China and Russia copied the US. They just didn't copy the "freedom" idea. They mostly didn't do it because they didn't have to... so they were ver

Soviet Union, China and Russia copied the US. They just didn't copy the "freedom" idea. They mostly didn't do it because they didn't have to... so they were very lucky. With modern technology, ordinary people got too powerful and it would be very easy to find out that the state is outright lying to them about how their own country works and they wouldn't be too happy about it. As a result, Chinese and Russians peasants are pretty satisfied with their leadership because the state doesn't have to engage in lying too much. They can tell the truth about the enemy once in a while and that is mostly enough. If one of them was a superpower though, it would be a different story. They would have to engage in a lot of deception and with modern technology, people would find out that their leaders are full of it. Not that it is a problem, the peasants do eventually cope with reality... but it's just that it doesn't work very smoothly all the time.

qwytw 4y ago
> Soviet Union, China and Russia copied the US Do you really believe in this or are you just saying this? Mass surveillance was a thing in the USSR decades 30-50 years earlier than in the US. Also much more effective too... Say something inappropriate semi publicly and of you go to the gulag (they toned it down and switch to psich hospitial after the 60s). > leadership because the state doesn't have to engage in lying too much tanks go brr... amirite comrade ?
- ghostDancer 4y ago
  Never forget, also on the other side of the wall, East Germany the paradigm of control and spying on their own citizens.
- DuckFeathers 4y ago
  > Say something inappropriate semi publicly and of you go to the gulag You're thinking Snowden and Assange. In the Soviet Union, they were sent to the gulags for spying for the enemy.
kwere 4y ago
> As a result, Chinese and Russians peasants are pretty satisfied with their leadership because the state doesn't have to engage in lying too much The only satisfied people would be the subsidized nomenklatura. Normal people do notice the aftereffects of de facto Kleptocracies aka the destruction of any organization, but who cares? so the common man developed apathy as a form of civil resistance (like laying flat in china today)

qwytw 4y ago

> Soviet Union, China and Russia copied the US Do you really believe in this or are you just saying this? Mass surveillance was a thing in the USSR decades 30-50 years earlier than in the US. Also much more effective too... Say something inappropriate semi publicly and of you go to the gulag (they toned it down and switch to psich hospitial after the 60s). > leadership because the state doesn't have to engage in lying too much tanks go brr... amirite comrade ?

ghostDancer 4y ago
Never forget, also on the other side of the wall, East Germany the paradigm of control and spying on their own citizens.
DuckFeathers 4y ago
> Say something inappropriate semi publicly and of you go to the gulag You're thinking Snowden and Assange. In the Soviet Union, they were sent to the gulags for spying for the enemy.

kwere 4y ago

> As a result, Chinese and Russians peasants are pretty satisfied with their leadership because the state doesn't have to engage in lying too much The only satisfied people would be the subsidized nomenklatura. Normal people do notice the aftereffects of de facto Kleptocracies aka the destruction of any organization, but who cares? so the common man developed apathy as a form of civil resistance (like laying flat in china today)