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I would argue it's also the users. PCP never got big, gashits are not very popular in most of Europe, GHB never got that big either. Essentially unsafe drugs a

by herbst 4y ago

I would argue it's also the users. PCP never got big, gashits are not very popular in most of Europe, GHB never got that big either. Essentially unsafe drugs aren't popular. Available but not mainstream. Here in Switzerland they get clean heroin from the state, not surprised fentanyl is still a niche phenomenon.

refurb 4y ago
How can it be the users when you cant tell what drug is in that tablet of knock-off “Xanax” you bought?
- herbst 4y ago
  Why are they buying knock-off Xanax from a unreputable source in the first place? Darknet works like Amazon, but unlike Amazon reviews are usually real. Bad actors get blamed. If they do, and there is a known risk, why did nobody in the distribution chain use a $15 test kit to verify the quality? Someone must have bought a few hundred pills at once to redistribute them, $15 and 5 minutes wouldn't matter. Or general save drug use. You have a pill you haven't tried yet. No way to check properly. So you only take a bit and see if it turns out as expected. This fentanyl thing is new and wasn't a thing when I popped pills. However there have always been dangerous pills. We've checked them, online, at labs, in person and small doses. If they were shit we throw them. I believe the main difference is culture. We were aware of the dangers, we had mobile labs at parties and flyers about the current bad pills. (Other than that Xanax and prescription drugs are nowhere as popular in Europe than they appear in the US)
  - notch898a 4y ago
    Fentanyl is one of many possibles, and the test strips themselves may be bunk. The odds a 13 year old without a car is dropping off their pills at the gas chromatography machine in their STEM magnet school in the morning is pretty much nill. Also worth noting in my state possessing kits design for testing for illegal drugs is a felony. [note: not legal advice]. No one reputable is going to risk a felony to sell drug testing kits for shitty margins. https://www.azleg.gov/viewDocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03415.htm https://www.azleg.gov/viewDocument/?docName=http://www.azleg...
    - herbst 4y ago
      See that's exactly my point. If these kits aren't even legal there simply is no drug safety culture to even build on.
- vistu 4y ago
  Because, in the Netherlands you can get your 'illegal' drugs tested anonymously for safety for free (or a really small fee like 2,5 euro in high traffic places like Amsterdam).
  - refurb 4y ago
    You can do it in the US as well. You can buy fentanyl test strips easily. https://dancesafe.org/drug-checking/ https://dancesafe.org/drug-checking/ That said, how many users actually test every single drug they purchase? Especially if they are addicted and using multiple times per day?

by herbst 4y ago

refurb 4y ago

How can it be the users when you cant tell what drug is in that tablet of knock-off “Xanax” you bought?

herbst 4y ago
Why are they buying knock-off Xanax from a unreputable source in the first place? Darknet works like Amazon, but unlike Amazon reviews are usually real. Bad actors get blamed. If they do, and there is a known risk, why did nobody in the distribution chain use a $15 test kit to verify the quality? Someone must have bought a few hundred pills at once to redistribute them, $15 and 5 minutes wouldn't matter. Or general save drug use. You have a pill you haven't tried yet. No way to check properly. So you only take a bit and see if it turns out as expected. This fentanyl thing is new and wasn't a thing when I popped pills. However there have always been dangerous pills. We've checked them, online, at labs, in person and small doses. If they were shit we throw them. I believe the main difference is culture. We were aware of the dangers, we had mobile labs at parties and flyers about the current bad pills. (Other than that Xanax and prescription drugs are nowhere as popular in Europe than they appear in the US)
- notch898a 4y ago
  Fentanyl is one of many possibles, and the test strips themselves may be bunk. The odds a 13 year old without a car is dropping off their pills at the gas chromatography machine in their STEM magnet school in the morning is pretty much nill. Also worth noting in my state possessing kits design for testing for illegal drugs is a felony. [note: not legal advice]. No one reputable is going to risk a felony to sell drug testing kits for shitty margins. https://www.azleg.gov/viewDocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03415.htm https://www.azleg.gov/viewDocument/?docName=http://www.azleg...
  - herbst 4y ago
    See that's exactly my point. If these kits aren't even legal there simply is no drug safety culture to even build on.
vistu 4y ago
Because, in the Netherlands you can get your 'illegal' drugs tested anonymously for safety for free (or a really small fee like 2,5 euro in high traffic places like Amsterdam).
- refurb 4y ago
  You can do it in the US as well. You can buy fentanyl test strips easily. https://dancesafe.org/drug-checking/ https://dancesafe.org/drug-checking/ That said, how many users actually test every single drug they purchase? Especially if they are addicted and using multiple times per day?