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Just stop criminalizing shit.

bioemerl 4y ago
Times change, situations adjust, and new behaviors appear that need to be regulated and shut down. You can't just stop criminalizing things, society would grind to a halt within a few decades.
- duringmath 4y ago
  What about when previously criminalized acts like consuming cannabis products become socially acceptable? It's still illegal on the federal level so that's a huge mess not to mention the harm that was done by enforcing those laws over the years.
  - bioemerl 4y ago
    You decriminalize it, we've already seen movement towards that happening.
- cultureswitch 4y ago
  Citation needed
  - bioemerl 4y ago
    Would you prefer hacking be legal?
    - alexvoda 4y ago
      Legality of hacking does not matter. The only big relevant cases are across borders and often with the endorsement or the permission of the home government. Small scale hacking is only prosecuted when someone did something very very stupid and obvious.
      - bioemerl 4y ago
        You just said we should never make new things criminal. Hacking is a really clear and obvious example of why we need that ability and we will need to exercise it regularly. Legally of hacking is a clear example of why your philosophy doesn't work. In that respect it's very relavent. Especially when you say that small scale hacking is rarely enforced, showing that you understand that even if a law appears crazy broad, the reality of the country and our system generally keeps it in check.
        alexvoda 4y ago
        > You just said we should never make new things criminal. I did not say that so do not twist my words. I never even said hacking should be legal. I said that in the current context the legality of hacking does not matter because either large scale hacking happens across borders. Or often it is at such a small scale it never reaches the legal system (think spouses snooping on each other by using a password written on a post-it). Or the resources to track down a hacker are far to high to lead to an investigation and therefore it never reaches the legal system (think logins and cc numbers where people and banks just deal with it). In the 1990's and early 2000's when most hacking was unsophisticated, prosecution might have been an effective deterrent.

Times change, situations adjust, and new behaviors appear that need to be regulated and shut down. You can't just stop criminalizing things, society would grind to a halt within a few decades.

duringmath 4y ago
What about when previously criminalized acts like consuming cannabis products become socially acceptable? It's still illegal on the federal level so that's a huge mess not to mention the harm that was done by enforcing those laws over the years.
- bioemerl 4y ago
  You decriminalize it, we've already seen movement towards that happening.
cultureswitch 4y ago
Citation needed
- bioemerl 4y ago
  Would you prefer hacking be legal?
  - alexvoda 4y ago
    Legality of hacking does not matter. The only big relevant cases are across borders and often with the endorsement or the permission of the home government. Small scale hacking is only prosecuted when someone did something very very stupid and obvious.
    - bioemerl 4y ago
      You just said we should never make new things criminal. Hacking is a really clear and obvious example of why we need that ability and we will need to exercise it regularly. Legally of hacking is a clear example of why your philosophy doesn't work. In that respect it's very relavent. Especially when you say that small scale hacking is rarely enforced, showing that you understand that even if a law appears crazy broad, the reality of the country and our system generally keeps it in check.
      - alexvoda 4y ago
        > You just said we should never make new things criminal. I did not say that so do not twist my words. I never even said hacking should be legal. I said that in the current context the legality of hacking does not matter because either large scale hacking happens across borders. Or often it is at such a small scale it never reaches the legal system (think spouses snooping on each other by using a password written on a post-it). Or the resources to track down a hacker are far to high to lead to an investigation and therefore it never reaches the legal system (think logins and cc numbers where people and banks just deal with it). In the 1990's and early 2000's when most hacking was unsophisticated, prosecution might have been an effective deterrent.