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The problem didn't start when Biden was inaugurated. It has been getting worse during the previous administration. It doesn't feel like Biden did anything about

by rnk 4y ago

The problem didn't start when Biden was inaugurated. It has been getting worse during the previous administration. It doesn't feel like Biden did anything about it, but neither did Trump. Trump made false claims about closing the border and said his work would reduce the problems. It did not. We don't know what to do to stop it, and both parties in the us have no real solution.

nwienert 4y ago
He tried pretty hard but was thwarted by Democrats. This line of argument is disingenuous - for example, Biden has many plans he strongly fights for like expanding healthcare, but that he can't get through, due to the Republicans. It would be very unfair to say the equivalent of your comment about Biden/healthcare.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  Tump was trying to build wall to prevent immigration. Drugs do not come from immigrants but from cartels through different means. Trump's idea has never been about stopping all commercial exchange at the border nor dismantling every single vehicle crossing the border in search of pills. Additionnally, if cartels can't smuggle drugs through the border, they'll build fentanyl shops inside the USA.
  - notch898a 4y ago
    "Unauthorized" border crossing (and otherwise innocent) immigrants are a key piece of the cartel smuggling apparatus. They are used as bait to overwhelm CBP resources (and asylum seekers often want to be caught, theyll be given a court date to make their asylum case and in many cases released), once the resources are overloaded the drug smugglers go through the rugged terrain to drop-off points.
    - prmoustache 4y ago
      By this you are basically implying we should rather open the border totally so that drug smugglers can't use them.
      - notch898a 4y ago
        That's what I would do, yes. Although I didn't mean to imply that with my previous statement. The closed border approach would be to somehow erect a barrier that lessens the ability for them to consume CBP resources between ports of entry.
  - lenkite 4y ago
    Sorry, but you really need to listen to what Trump actually said instead of listening to his stuff filtered by the media. He definitely did say that the wall would help stop drugs. Even DEA law-enforcement agreed with him that it would help. And yes, there is a significant amount of drug trafficking carried out by people crossing the border. Whether they are "true" migrants or "cartel employed" is irrelevant. https://cis.org/Arthur/Yuma-Reveals-How-Migrant-Surge-Has-Fueled-Americas-Drug-Crisis https://cis.org/Arthur/Yuma-Reveals-How-Migrant-Surge-Has-Fu... "..they'll build fentanyl shops inside the USA..." US law-enforcement would love this to happen. Damn easy to get a court order and bust up. Damn easy to setup informants to reveal such locations. Its like comparing peanut impacts versus asteriod impacts. You solve the critical asteroid problem first. The peanuts don't really make any significant difference.
- shapefrog 4y ago
  > thwarted by Democrats The 115th United States Congress: Senate majority - Republican, House majority - Republican, Presidency - Republican. Blame the party not in power.
  - nwienert 4y ago
    As you should know, they did pass legislation in that time, only to have it blocked once they lost power and further neutered with the recent admin. Further, there's only so much an admin can focus on and they had a variety of other issues. My point stands which is that one party is very focused on this issue and worked towards concrete measures against it, while the other worked against them.
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by rnk 4y ago

nwienert 4y ago

He tried pretty hard but was thwarted by Democrats. This line of argument is disingenuous - for example, Biden has many plans he strongly fights for like expanding healthcare, but that he can't get through, due to the Republicans. It would be very unfair to say the equivalent of your comment about Biden/healthcare.

prmoustache 4y ago
Tump was trying to build wall to prevent immigration. Drugs do not come from immigrants but from cartels through different means. Trump's idea has never been about stopping all commercial exchange at the border nor dismantling every single vehicle crossing the border in search of pills. Additionnally, if cartels can't smuggle drugs through the border, they'll build fentanyl shops inside the USA.
- notch898a 4y ago
  "Unauthorized" border crossing (and otherwise innocent) immigrants are a key piece of the cartel smuggling apparatus. They are used as bait to overwhelm CBP resources (and asylum seekers often want to be caught, theyll be given a court date to make their asylum case and in many cases released), once the resources are overloaded the drug smugglers go through the rugged terrain to drop-off points.
  - prmoustache 4y ago
    By this you are basically implying we should rather open the border totally so that drug smugglers can't use them.
    - notch898a 4y ago
      That's what I would do, yes. Although I didn't mean to imply that with my previous statement. The closed border approach would be to somehow erect a barrier that lessens the ability for them to consume CBP resources between ports of entry.
- lenkite 4y ago
  Sorry, but you really need to listen to what Trump actually said instead of listening to his stuff filtered by the media. He definitely did say that the wall would help stop drugs. Even DEA law-enforcement agreed with him that it would help. And yes, there is a significant amount of drug trafficking carried out by people crossing the border. Whether they are "true" migrants or "cartel employed" is irrelevant. https://cis.org/Arthur/Yuma-Reveals-How-Migrant-Surge-Has-Fueled-Americas-Drug-Crisis https://cis.org/Arthur/Yuma-Reveals-How-Migrant-Surge-Has-Fu... "..they'll build fentanyl shops inside the USA..." US law-enforcement would love this to happen. Damn easy to get a court order and bust up. Damn easy to setup informants to reveal such locations. Its like comparing peanut impacts versus asteriod impacts. You solve the critical asteroid problem first. The peanuts don't really make any significant difference.
shapefrog 4y ago
> thwarted by Democrats The 115th United States Congress: Senate majority - Republican, House majority - Republican, Presidency - Republican. Blame the party not in power.
- nwienert 4y ago
  As you should know, they did pass legislation in that time, only to have it blocked once they lost power and further neutered with the recent admin. Further, there's only so much an admin can focus on and they had a variety of other issues. My point stands which is that one party is very focused on this issue and worked towards concrete measures against it, while the other worked against them.
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