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Living in California, I can tell I you it most certainly is and has been for a while. Maybe the news paints it as a bunch of cowboys trying to restrict abortio

by Dig1t 4y ago

Living in California, I can tell I you it most certainly is and has been for a while. Maybe the news paints it as a bunch of cowboys trying to restrict abortions. But look at California, Oregon, Washington, New York, etc laws. They have become so liberal that it has become a meme. Drugs are almost completely decriminalized, you can buy/sell and consume drugs openly on the street, police will not investigate property crimes under $1000 at all anymore, eviction is almost completely impossible even if the tenant hasn’t paid rent in a year. California is about to spend 800 BILLION dollars giving money to black people even though slavery never existed there. It’s legitimately a struggle to think up ways coastal cities in the US could be more liberal.

eurasiantiger 4y ago
That is a corruption issue and cannot be solved by drug laws.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  What’s the corruption issue?
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    Lack of / selective law enforcement
ar0 4y ago
This thread is an interesting example on how not very well defined terms can let people talk past each other… the original poster suggested “let’s try to be more like France, where this problem is solved”, the next one said “no, more liberalism is not the solution” (apparently implying that liberalism is what France does) and now someone states you can’t get more liberal than California, listing as examples things none of which work like that in France! Regardless of the merits of each argument (I am doubtful if you can easily transfer examples from one country to another) we obviously have people arguing with each other here based on completely different definitions of key terms in the discussion.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  We need a thread summary like this more often. GPT-summary?
reducesuffering 4y ago
> California is about to spend 800 BILLION dollars giving money to black people even though slavery never existed there. This isn't actually happening.
- Dig1t 4y ago
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/reparations-could-cost-california-more-than-800-billion-economists-estimate https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/reparations-could-cost-c... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-are-the-next-steps-for-black-reparations-in-san-francisco https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-are-the-next-steps-... It seems like it's happening to me..
snozolli 4y ago
police will not investigate property crimes under $1000 at all anymore That's just cops being lazy and not doing their job. They like to say "the D.A. will just throw it out!" or "they'll just be back on the street due to overcrowding!" as if either of those has anything to do with the cops' job of enforcing laws and arresting perpetrators.
- Dig1t 4y ago
  I don't really know the reason for it, but it's an actual policy that cities have: https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft-walgreens-decriminalized-11634678239 https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft... Just walk the street on any given day in SF, you are guaranteed to see at least one broken car window. Smash and grabs are rampant.
  - snozolli 4y ago
    I don't know if the rest of the article is behind a paywall, but I don't see anything about a policy. The only policies I've heard of are either police department policies -- which is just codified laziness and refusal to do their job -- or district attorney policy which, as I said, shouldn't be relevant to whether or not police make arrests. It's their job to arrest people for crimes, not to solely arrest people for crimes for which they think they can get a conviction.
watwut 4y ago
> Maybe the news paints it as a bunch of cowboys trying to restrict abortions. They successfully restricted those abortions. They are trying to criminalize traveling to other states for abortions. And by abortions here we mean also medically necessary abortions. > Drugs are almost completely decriminalized This is simply not true. Like ... I dont think it is liberal media lying issue here. Maybe the specific subset of media you read is lying to you - which is way more likely to be conservative.
- Dig1t 4y ago
  >They successfully restricted those abortions. Sort of, yes. They are not restricted in any coastal cities though, the vast majority of Americans still have access to abortion. The states I mentioned (CA, OR, WA, NY, and most other states too) have not restricted it. It's a few states in the south. These states/cities I mentioned are where most Americans actually live. >This is simply not true. I mean, have you driven through LA, SF, Seattle, or NY? You can watch people consuming and selling drugs 7 days a week in broad daylight. I am not relying on any news source for that information, I have lived it. Have you been assaulted or screamed at by someone high out of their mind on the street in SF? I have.
  - watwut 4y ago
    That does not remove the fact that conservatives are successfully restricting the abortion. Yes, they are trying to create more damage and enjoy the pain they cause. They also provably don't care about lives themselves - they are restricting healthcare in general and don't care about children. The drugs in USA were not decriminalized. You lied.

by Dig1t 4y ago

eurasiantiger 4y ago

That is a corruption issue and cannot be solved by drug laws.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
What’s the corruption issue?
- nicoburns 4y ago
  Lack of / selective law enforcement

ar0 4y ago

This thread is an interesting example on how not very well defined terms can let people talk past each other… the original poster suggested “let’s try to be more like France, where this problem is solved”, the next one said “no, more liberalism is not the solution” (apparently implying that liberalism is what France does) and now someone states you can’t get more liberal than California, listing as examples things none of which work like that in France! Regardless of the merits of each argument (I am doubtful if you can easily transfer examples from one country to another) we obviously have people arguing with each other here based on completely different definitions of key terms in the discussion.

lostlogin 4y ago
We need a thread summary like this more often. GPT-summary?

reducesuffering 4y ago

> California is about to spend 800 BILLION dollars giving money to black people even though slavery never existed there. This isn't actually happening.

Dig1t 4y ago
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/reparations-could-cost-california-more-than-800-billion-economists-estimate https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/reparations-could-cost-c... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-are-the-next-steps-for-black-reparations-in-san-francisco https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-are-the-next-steps-... It seems like it's happening to me..

snozolli 4y ago

police will not investigate property crimes under $1000 at all anymore That's just cops being lazy and not doing their job. They like to say "the D.A. will just throw it out!" or "they'll just be back on the street due to overcrowding!" as if either of those has anything to do with the cops' job of enforcing laws and arresting perpetrators.

Dig1t 4y ago
I don't really know the reason for it, but it's an actual policy that cities have: https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft-walgreens-decriminalized-11634678239 https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft... Just walk the street on any given day in SF, you are guaranteed to see at least one broken car window. Smash and grabs are rampant.
- snozolli 4y ago
  I don't know if the rest of the article is behind a paywall, but I don't see anything about a policy. The only policies I've heard of are either police department policies -- which is just codified laziness and refusal to do their job -- or district attorney policy which, as I said, shouldn't be relevant to whether or not police make arrests. It's their job to arrest people for crimes, not to solely arrest people for crimes for which they think they can get a conviction.

watwut 4y ago

> Maybe the news paints it as a bunch of cowboys trying to restrict abortions. They successfully restricted those abortions. They are trying to criminalize traveling to other states for abortions. And by abortions here we mean also medically necessary abortions. > Drugs are almost completely decriminalized This is simply not true. Like ... I dont think it is liberal media lying issue here. Maybe the specific subset of media you read is lying to you - which is way more likely to be conservative.

Dig1t 4y ago
>They successfully restricted those abortions. Sort of, yes. They are not restricted in any coastal cities though, the vast majority of Americans still have access to abortion. The states I mentioned (CA, OR, WA, NY, and most other states too) have not restricted it. It's a few states in the south. These states/cities I mentioned are where most Americans actually live. >This is simply not true. I mean, have you driven through LA, SF, Seattle, or NY? You can watch people consuming and selling drugs 7 days a week in broad daylight. I am not relying on any news source for that information, I have lived it. Have you been assaulted or screamed at by someone high out of their mind on the street in SF? I have.
- watwut 4y ago
  That does not remove the fact that conservatives are successfully restricting the abortion. Yes, they are trying to create more damage and enjoy the pain they cause. They also provably don't care about lives themselves - they are restricting healthcare in general and don't care about children. The drugs in USA were not decriminalized. You lied.