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We've known how to solve opioid addiction for decades: give people opportunity, hope and community and they won't choose to escape reality. Rat park generalize

by cwkoss 4y ago

We've known how to solve opioid addiction for decades: give people opportunity, hope and community and they won't choose to escape reality. Rat park generalized to humans. Our politicians would rather feed the drug-incarceration-industrial complex than serve our society at the expense of their rent seeking patrons. We don't have zero idea what to do: the solution is just something that people who are part of this machine refuse to grok.

throwayyy479087 4y ago
Fun Fact: Rat Park has never replicated, and is now considered bunk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park#Replication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park#Replication
- cwkoss 4y ago
  One graduate student failing to replicate does not support the assertion that it 'is now considered bunk'
  - eurasiantiger 4y ago
    You’re being disingenuous. ”There has been little subsequent interest in replicating the studies due to several methodological issues present in the originals”
    - phendrenad2 4y ago
      A paper with many egregious methodological issues is, at worst, a paper that should be ignored, as though it never happened. We cannot say that it is "wrong" or "incorrect" or "bunk" because it's a nothing, a non-argument. Until the experiments are repeated, sans egregious methodological issues, we can't logically make that determination.
      - eurasiantiger 4y ago
        So if it’s generally accepted that the world is flat, we shouldn’t listen to anyone claiming otherwise?
        cwkoss 4y ago
        A better analogy would be "If it’s generally accepted that the world is flat, we shouldn't assume its round because one student was unable to measure the curvature."
nine_k 4y ago
The machine refuses to work against its self-preservation. Plato wrote in his famous work on democracy that the body of citizens in a polis should not exceed 10000, else the direct democracy disintegrates, and both electing officials consciously, and keeping them accountable becomes hard. The representative democracy in the US works with 350M people, 240M eligible to vote, is hopelessly part these confines. It's not a wonder that it works not really ideally; it's a wonder that it works at all for nearly 250 years. The US needs to upgrade the mechanisms of its democracy to better suit its scale. Switching to Condorcet voting or other preferential voting schemes on municipal and state levels in a few states is one such upgrade. Maybe people will start electing more officials who actually care, and who might shake the inadequate equilibria, in drug-related policies, and elsewhere.

by cwkoss 4y ago

throwayyy479087 4y ago

Fun Fact: Rat Park has never replicated, and is now considered bunk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park#Replication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park#Replication

cwkoss 4y ago
One graduate student failing to replicate does not support the assertion that it 'is now considered bunk'
- eurasiantiger 4y ago
  You’re being disingenuous. ”There has been little subsequent interest in replicating the studies due to several methodological issues present in the originals”
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    A paper with many egregious methodological issues is, at worst, a paper that should be ignored, as though it never happened. We cannot say that it is "wrong" or "incorrect" or "bunk" because it's a nothing, a non-argument. Until the experiments are repeated, sans egregious methodological issues, we can't logically make that determination.
    - eurasiantiger 4y ago
      So if it’s generally accepted that the world is flat, we shouldn’t listen to anyone claiming otherwise?
      - cwkoss 4y ago
        A better analogy would be "If it’s generally accepted that the world is flat, we shouldn't assume its round because one student was unable to measure the curvature."

nine_k 4y ago

The machine refuses to work against its self-preservation. Plato wrote in his famous work on democracy that the body of citizens in a polis should not exceed 10000, else the direct democracy disintegrates, and both electing officials consciously, and keeping them accountable becomes hard. The representative democracy in the US works with 350M people, 240M eligible to vote, is hopelessly part these confines. It's not a wonder that it works not really ideally; it's a wonder that it works at all for nearly 250 years. The US needs to upgrade the mechanisms of its democracy to better suit its scale. Switching to Condorcet voting or other preferential voting schemes on municipal and state levels in a few states is one such upgrade. Maybe people will start electing more officials who actually care, and who might shake the inadequate equilibria, in drug-related policies, and elsewhere.