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> Please hold while I go nail my thesis to a church door. Should that also be allowed? You mean other than the vandalism aspect? I think that might even be va

by bb88 4y ago

> Please hold while I go nail my thesis to a church door. Should that also be allowed? You mean other than the vandalism aspect? I think that might even be vandalism if you used scotch tape.

jameskilton 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses Scotch tape didn't exist in 1517.
- bb88 4y ago
  But I assure you, other forms of goo did. :D
arp242 4y ago
I'm reasonably sure that taping stuff to church doors – or other doors you don't own – won't be looked on kindly either in many cases. There are countless of other examples; playing my thesis in a public place on speakers 24/7 is also not going to end well for you. At some point a method to disperse speech becomes so disruptive to the general public interest it makes sense to step in. I am talking about the method of dispersal only here, NOT the content. Is TikTok too disruptive? I don't know, but I do know that is what the discussion should be about, and Rand Paul's arguments are missing the point.
- IIAOPSW 4y ago
  >won't be looked on kindly either in many cases. There are countless of other examples; playing my thesis in a public place on speakers 24/7 is also not going to end well for you. Not looked at kindly and carrying the force of criminal prosecution are worlds apart
- bb88 4y ago
  But the point remains, and kind of too my point, that "Free Speech" in most cases is not really free -- in that there are rules and regulations to how speech can be conducted. So TikTok is covered by freedom of speech. Okay. But what about content coming from Chinese servers, or say, foreign companies that are obligated to give your personal information to a foreign government? It's never been so much the speech itself but how it's presented to others.
  - arp242 4y ago
    > "Free Speech" in most cases is not really free -- in that there are rules and regulations to how speech can be conducted. Of course; absolute freedom rarely exist, as exercising absolute freedom tends to infringe on the freedom of others. The classic case is that my freedom to play music at 4am as loud as I please infringes on my neighbour's freedom to sleep at night. "Freedom" is not a one-dimensional axis that can go either up or down but a complex matrix with all sorts of interactions.

by bb88 4y ago

> Please hold while I go nail my thesis to a church door. Should that also be allowed? You mean other than the vandalism aspect? I think that might even be vandalism if you used scotch tape.

jameskilton 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses Scotch tape didn't exist in 1517.

bb88 4y ago
But I assure you, other forms of goo did. :D

arp242 4y ago

I'm reasonably sure that taping stuff to church doors – or other doors you don't own – won't be looked on kindly either in many cases. There are countless of other examples; playing my thesis in a public place on speakers 24/7 is also not going to end well for you. At some point a method to disperse speech becomes so disruptive to the general public interest it makes sense to step in. I am talking about the method of dispersal only here, NOT the content. Is TikTok too disruptive? I don't know, but I do know that is what the discussion should be about, and Rand Paul's arguments are missing the point.

IIAOPSW 4y ago
>won't be looked on kindly either in many cases. There are countless of other examples; playing my thesis in a public place on speakers 24/7 is also not going to end well for you. Not looked at kindly and carrying the force of criminal prosecution are worlds apart
bb88 4y ago
But the point remains, and kind of too my point, that "Free Speech" in most cases is not really free -- in that there are rules and regulations to how speech can be conducted. So TikTok is covered by freedom of speech. Okay. But what about content coming from Chinese servers, or say, foreign companies that are obligated to give your personal information to a foreign government? It's never been so much the speech itself but how it's presented to others.
- arp242 4y ago
  > "Free Speech" in most cases is not really free -- in that there are rules and regulations to how speech can be conducted. Of course; absolute freedom rarely exist, as exercising absolute freedom tends to infringe on the freedom of others. The classic case is that my freedom to play music at 4am as loud as I please infringes on my neighbour's freedom to sleep at night. "Freedom" is not a one-dimensional axis that can go either up or down but a complex matrix with all sorts of interactions.