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> I don’t know at what point it stops being a photo any more. Personally, I think it's at the point that you start using AI/ML for anything other than the para

> I don’t know at what point it stops being a photo any more. Personally, I think it's at the point that you start using AI/ML for anything other than the parameters involved in capturing the raw image (focus, shutter speed, aperture, etc) and the parameters of RAW processing/the sorts of editing that's allowed in a typical photography competition (so things like exposure, white balance, colour adjustment, etc).

weaksauce 4y ago
I'll even allow it to change the exposure/balance/adjustment in parts of the picture separately and it's still a photo. Once you cross that Rubicon though I think it's a different thing.
epgui 4y ago
I think the analysis can get a bit more blurry if you think about the types of *local* adjustments that are typically applied to great taste by professionals… Things like sky/foreground/background adjustments, spot adjustments, dodge and burn, etc.
- techdragon 4y ago
  I feel like it’s a pretty good definition to start with but I’d extend it a little further to encompass the techniques you mentioned and also add things like HDR bracketing, and astrophotographer techniques like dark frames and photo stacking. Essentially I think as long as the photo is built up from data captured by the camera sensor(s) and no additional data is “added” to the photo, no upscaling, no substitution, no textural or morphological manipulation of objects in the frame, then it’s still a photo even with sophisticated AI processing. But the moment you upscale, airbrush, or morph anything… not a photograph.
lmm 4y ago
That's an arbitrary path-dependent place to put the line. Realistically if you spend infinite time and effort doing the kind of dodge/burn that every photography competition allows then you can make the photo look like anything you want.
hef19898 4y ago
One field were ML is making strides apparently, is auto focus systems in mirrorless cameras. Not tgat I would know, so. And tgat is a field I am totally ok with, guessing were the subjects is going, and where to focus on the subject based on user input, is usefull. Shutter, apperture and ISO settings are solved since non-figital cameras got a Program mode. ISO was, obviously, added with DSLRs. It is basically just a stupid control loop running along a curve based on the lense and camera you are using.

weaksauce 4y ago

I'll even allow it to change the exposure/balance/adjustment in parts of the picture separately and it's still a photo. Once you cross that Rubicon though I think it's a different thing.

epgui 4y ago

I think the analysis can get a bit more blurry if you think about the types of *local* adjustments that are typically applied to great taste by professionals… Things like sky/foreground/background adjustments, spot adjustments, dodge and burn, etc.

techdragon 4y ago
I feel like it’s a pretty good definition to start with but I’d extend it a little further to encompass the techniques you mentioned and also add things like HDR bracketing, and astrophotographer techniques like dark frames and photo stacking. Essentially I think as long as the photo is built up from data captured by the camera sensor(s) and no additional data is “added” to the photo, no upscaling, no substitution, no textural or morphological manipulation of objects in the frame, then it’s still a photo even with sophisticated AI processing. But the moment you upscale, airbrush, or morph anything… not a photograph.

lmm 4y ago

That's an arbitrary path-dependent place to put the line. Realistically if you spend infinite time and effort doing the kind of dodge/burn that every photography competition allows then you can make the photo look like anything you want.

hef19898 4y ago

One field were ML is making strides apparently, is auto focus systems in mirrorless cameras. Not tgat I would know, so. And tgat is a field I am totally ok with, guessing were the subjects is going, and where to focus on the subject based on user input, is usefull. Shutter, apperture and ISO settings are solved since non-figital cameras got a Program mode. ISO was, obviously, added with DSLRs. It is basically just a stupid control loop running along a curve based on the lense and camera you are using.