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For the most recent presidential election maybe. For the previous one a majority of Democrats including many high ranking Democrat politicians and officials wer

For the most recent presidential election maybe. For the previous one a majority of Democrats including many high ranking Democrat politicians and officials were election deniers. Clearly you aren't going to have a large contingent of deniers of elections that your favored party won.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> For the most recent presidential election maybe. Yes, that’s generally what “believe the election was stolen” without further qualification means; its not a reference to the total sum of people who believe at least one election in the history of the US was stolen. > For the previous one a majority of Democrats including high ranking Democrat politicians and officials were election deniers. No, they weren’t. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/more-republicans-distrust-this-years-election-results-than-democrats-after-2016/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/more-republicans-distru... A large percentage of Democrats believe Russian interference and other improper interference influenced the election results, but that’s different than thinking the actual vote was rigged or invalid.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  Yes they were a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election and a vast amount of irresponsible rheotoric around it that was very dangerous to democracy. Don't try to gaslight on this one. A lot of uneducated morons and delusional conspiracy theorists thought "Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election", fueled by dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric from certain anti-democratic election denier politicians and media corporations.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election [citation needed]
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      No it isn't.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        Well, since you are just lying, I can see why a demand for evidence is inconvenient.
  - epylar 4y ago
    How many election deniers?
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      A large majority of Democrat voters fell for these baseless and dangerous election-denial conspiracy theories. Why do you ask? https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1064259048902668289 https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1064259048902668289
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        The one question you present evidence of is not questioning the legitimacy and validity of the election; there is a difference between believing (rightly or wrongly, with or without sufficient cause) that improper activity effected the popular vote tally and believing that the election is illegitimate. You present no evidence relating to actual election denial.
        throwawaylinux 4y ago
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        dang 4y ago
        You've broken the site guidelines egregiously here, and have unfortunately been doing that a bunch elsewhere. We've warned you multiple times before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34429933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34429933 (Jan 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30858404 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30858404 (March 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29085513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29085513 (Nov 2021) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to ban you. Therefore could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules? Including, but not limited to: not being snarky, not calling names, not making personal attacks, not posting flamewar comments, and not using HN primarily for political battle.
RobAtticus 4y ago
When push came to shove, how many Democratic leaders (Reps and Senators) voted against or objected to the electoral college results in 2017? It was less than 10 Representatives and no Senators, meaning none of the objections were even put to a vote[1]. That is a far cry from what occurred in 2021. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Electoral_College_vote_count https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Electoral_C...
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  Talk about clutching at straws and trying to find any possible metric to deflect from the dangerous 2016 election deniers and conspiracy theorist lunatics. You can't just pick out some other thing and claim that is what is matters most. Just saying "when push comes to shove" doesn't mean anything. How many times did the Republican chair of the House Intelligence Committee lie about something like having evidence for the delusional conspiracy theory that "Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election", dangerously fueling election denial and undermining confidence in the democratic process, like Adam Schiff did? Aside from rhetoric and assertions by partisans and conspiracy theorists involved in the whole mess, where is the evidence to say what one side does is better or worse or more or less "damaging to democracy"? There isn't any. If you in denial of the reality that both sides question elections and make up conspiracy theories when it suits them, you are incapable of anything approaching an objective understanding of the topic. Sorry.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> For the most recent presidential election maybe. Yes, that’s generally what “believe the election was stolen” without further qualification means; its not a reference to the total sum of people who believe at least one election in the history of the US was stolen. > For the previous one a majority of Democrats including high ranking Democrat politicians and officials were election deniers. No, they weren’t. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/more-republicans-distrust-this-years-election-results-than-democrats-after-2016/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/more-republicans-distru... A large percentage of Democrats believe Russian interference and other improper interference influenced the election results, but that’s different than thinking the actual vote was rigged or invalid.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
Yes they were a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election and a vast amount of irresponsible rheotoric around it that was very dangerous to democracy. Don't try to gaslight on this one. A lot of uneducated morons and delusional conspiracy theorists thought "Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election", fueled by dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric from certain anti-democratic election denier politicians and media corporations.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > a huge number of election deniers for the 2016 election [citation needed]
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    No it isn't.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      Well, since you are just lying, I can see why a demand for evidence is inconvenient.
- epylar 4y ago
  How many election deniers?
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    A large majority of Democrat voters fell for these baseless and dangerous election-denial conspiracy theories. Why do you ask? https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1064259048902668289 https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1064259048902668289
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      The one question you present evidence of is not questioning the legitimacy and validity of the election; there is a difference between believing (rightly or wrongly, with or without sufficient cause) that improper activity effected the popular vote tally and believing that the election is illegitimate. You present no evidence relating to actual election denial.
      - throwawaylinux 4y ago
        [flagged]
        dang 4y ago
        You've broken the site guidelines egregiously here, and have unfortunately been doing that a bunch elsewhere. We've warned you multiple times before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34429933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34429933 (Jan 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30858404 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30858404 (March 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29085513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29085513 (Nov 2021) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to ban you. Therefore could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules? Including, but not limited to: not being snarky, not calling names, not making personal attacks, not posting flamewar comments, and not using HN primarily for political battle.

RobAtticus 4y ago

When push came to shove, how many Democratic leaders (Reps and Senators) voted against or objected to the electoral college results in 2017? It was less than 10 Representatives and no Senators, meaning none of the objections were even put to a vote[1]. That is a far cry from what occurred in 2021. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Electoral_College_vote_count https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Electoral_C...

throwawaylinux 4y ago
Talk about clutching at straws and trying to find any possible metric to deflect from the dangerous 2016 election deniers and conspiracy theorist lunatics. You can't just pick out some other thing and claim that is what is matters most. Just saying "when push comes to shove" doesn't mean anything. How many times did the Republican chair of the House Intelligence Committee lie about something like having evidence for the delusional conspiracy theory that "Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election", dangerously fueling election denial and undermining confidence in the democratic process, like Adam Schiff did? Aside from rhetoric and assertions by partisans and conspiracy theorists involved in the whole mess, where is the evidence to say what one side does is better or worse or more or less "damaging to democracy"? There isn't any. If you in denial of the reality that both sides question elections and make up conspiracy theories when it suits them, you are incapable of anything approaching an objective understanding of the topic. Sorry.