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Absolutely. Pick any city of your choice. New York, Los Angeles, London, Joburg, Bangalore, Hong Kong, Lima... Are the ethnic demographics of the city not subst

Absolutely. Pick any city of your choice. New York, Los Angeles, London, Joburg, Bangalore, Hong Kong, Lima... Are the ethnic demographics of the city not substantially different from those of its rural surroundings?

TaylorAlexander 4y ago
I thought that due to redlining and white flight, the answer is that yes, there are more white people as a percentage of the total in rural areas compared to cities.
- alwayslikethis 4y ago
  White flight? More like, most immigrants don't move to rural areas to start a farm. White flight is to suburban areas, not to rural areas.
  - bobthepanda 4y ago
    I saw this play out during COVID when some people who entertained the idea of WFH in a rural area had to contend with lack of internet.
    - red-iron-pine 4y ago
      Depends where you live, though it could be a big problem. I've done splicing work for several farming co-ops out west that ran fiber to the homestead. Small town of like 200 has GPON to most houses.
- monkeycantype 4y ago
  I’m Australia/New Zealand the primary driver would be international migration for urban job/education opportunities
genmud 4y ago
Absolutely, without any doubt in my mind. DC [1] and Baltimore when compared to the rural areas are significantly different ethnic demographics. This might be one of the most dramatic, but I have seen it in nearly every city I have ever visited. LA, Seattle, DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Miami, SF, Portland, London, Lisbon, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich, Vienna, Geneva and dozens others that I have traveled to have significantly different demographics in the city than their rural areas surrounding them. The only places I feel have been homogeneous with their rural areas surrounding them, have been some of nordic places like Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm and Tallinn. 1 - https://ggwash.org/view/6497/maps-show-racial-divides-in-greater-washington https://ggwash.org/view/6497/maps-show-racial-divides-in-gre...
resoluteteeth 4y ago
> Absolutely. Pick any city of your choice. New York, Los Angeles, London, Joburg, Bangalore, Hong Kong, Lima... Are the ethnic demographics of the city not substantially different from those of its rural surroundings? Yes, but are they all ethnically skewed in the same way? If the concern is genetic factors, it doesn't really matter if cities have different ethnic demographics than rural areas in all two hundred countries as long as the rural/urban racial skew is different in the different countries. For example, in the US rural areas may tend to be whiter than urban areas, but in countries that aren't predominantly caucasian, the opposite may be true.
tomrod 4y ago
Megacities, sure. But Tulsa, OK vs the surrounding non-metro counties? I'm less certain without diving into the data. The median US city size is Naperville, IL at 149,104 people.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
- burkaman 4y ago
  Still pretty different. Compare Tulsa city to neighboring counties: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/osagecountyoklahoma,rogerscountyoklahoma,okmulgeecountyoklahoma,wagonercountyoklahoma,creekcountyoklahoma,tulsacityoklahoma/PST045222 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/osagecountyokla... Naperville is a suburb of Chicago, and without looking I can confidently tell you that it's more white than Chicago, but less white than a nearby rural area. I will look though: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/chicagocityillinois,napervillecityillinois,kendallcountyillinois/PST045222 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/chicagocityilli...
  - tomrod 4y ago
    Great insight -- thanks!
- numtel 4y ago
  That's the median city in the set of cities with population greater than 100k, not median of all cities.
- JeremyNT 4y ago
  Anecdotally it really seems like this should be true. Cities in mostly ethnically homogeneous states tend to still have things of value that might draw people of diverse ethnic backgrounds. I'm in Nashville Tennessee and there are far more people of Asian or middle Eastern descent here in the city than there are in the surrounding rural areas, due to the universities and the job opportunities which draw people from out of state.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago

I thought that due to redlining and white flight, the answer is that yes, there are more white people as a percentage of the total in rural areas compared to cities.

alwayslikethis 4y ago
White flight? More like, most immigrants don't move to rural areas to start a farm. White flight is to suburban areas, not to rural areas.
- bobthepanda 4y ago
  I saw this play out during COVID when some people who entertained the idea of WFH in a rural area had to contend with lack of internet.
  - red-iron-pine 4y ago
    Depends where you live, though it could be a big problem. I've done splicing work for several farming co-ops out west that ran fiber to the homestead. Small town of like 200 has GPON to most houses.
monkeycantype 4y ago
I’m Australia/New Zealand the primary driver would be international migration for urban job/education opportunities

genmud 4y ago

Absolutely, without any doubt in my mind. DC [1] and Baltimore when compared to the rural areas are significantly different ethnic demographics. This might be one of the most dramatic, but I have seen it in nearly every city I have ever visited. LA, Seattle, DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Miami, SF, Portland, London, Lisbon, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich, Vienna, Geneva and dozens others that I have traveled to have significantly different demographics in the city than their rural areas surrounding them. The only places I feel have been homogeneous with their rural areas surrounding them, have been some of nordic places like Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm and Tallinn. 1 - https://ggwash.org/view/6497/maps-show-racial-divides-in-greater-washington https://ggwash.org/view/6497/maps-show-racial-divides-in-gre...

resoluteteeth 4y ago

> Absolutely. Pick any city of your choice. New York, Los Angeles, London, Joburg, Bangalore, Hong Kong, Lima... Are the ethnic demographics of the city not substantially different from those of its rural surroundings? Yes, but are they all ethnically skewed in the same way? If the concern is genetic factors, it doesn't really matter if cities have different ethnic demographics than rural areas in all two hundred countries as long as the rural/urban racial skew is different in the different countries. For example, in the US rural areas may tend to be whiter than urban areas, but in countries that aren't predominantly caucasian, the opposite may be true.

tomrod 4y ago

Megacities, sure. But Tulsa, OK vs the surrounding non-metro counties? I'm less certain without diving into the data. The median US city size is Naperville, IL at 149,104 people.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

burkaman 4y ago
Still pretty different. Compare Tulsa city to neighboring counties: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/osagecountyoklahoma,rogerscountyoklahoma,okmulgeecountyoklahoma,wagonercountyoklahoma,creekcountyoklahoma,tulsacityoklahoma/PST045222 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/osagecountyokla... Naperville is a suburb of Chicago, and without looking I can confidently tell you that it's more white than Chicago, but less white than a nearby rural area. I will look though: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/chicagocityillinois,napervillecityillinois,kendallcountyillinois/PST045222 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/chicagocityilli...
- tomrod 4y ago
  Great insight -- thanks!
numtel 4y ago
That's the median city in the set of cities with population greater than 100k, not median of all cities.
JeremyNT 4y ago
Anecdotally it really seems like this should be true. Cities in mostly ethnically homogeneous states tend to still have things of value that might draw people of diverse ethnic backgrounds. I'm in Nashville Tennessee and there are far more people of Asian or middle Eastern descent here in the city than there are in the surrounding rural areas, due to the universities and the job opportunities which draw people from out of state.