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Are authors paid for books purchased at the library? The library does not provide the public with a free personal copy of any book they want. I do not doubt th

by mohene1 15y ago

Are authors paid for books purchased at the library? The library does not provide the public with a free personal copy of any book they want. I do not doubt that artists may be compensated in the long run. But the compensation my come through higher ticket prices. I paid $32 to see Molotov, Eminem, The Black Eyed Peas, and Suicidal Tendencies in New York City back in 1999. Those days are long gone. To see those artists now, maybe $120. Saying "will" seems speculative since the examples are not comparable to piracy. Museums dont give free copies and have collections which are sometimes donated. In radio there is a cooperation between radio stations and the record companies.

minikomi 15y ago
What about something like kickstarter, for music? The artist will only release if a certain threshold is reached.. Then the released music is completely "free" to share as people please. The artist is compensated as they see fit - they set the price in the first place, and also can use it to justify part of the price (to compensate for recording, hosting etc.). "Piracy" then serves to generate rep to prove that they can deliver on future releases, there can still be people who make money in the middle - generating PR for the project etc. The platform could take a small share of the cost, a slightly larger share for hosting, slightly more for promotion on the front page..
- nextparadigms 15y ago
  It would probably work pretty well, if the artist can prove himself in a short video, and then ask for money so he can make a music video and do it all with more professional equipment.
  - minikomi 15y ago
    Make satellite sites for producers, video artists, stylists..
  - wisty 15y ago
    Why would they want to do music videos? A music video is just an add, which just happens to cost more than the product to produce, and is entertaining enough that people actually watch them. People watch informercials too. Nobody buys their favorite music video (unless it's The Wall). They buy the CD, because all they really care about is the music.
    - minikomi 15y ago
      Because it's fun, creative, connects with fans on a different level to just music.. not to mention some acts have built careers just on self-made youtube videos.
    - JonnieCache 15y ago
      I beg to differ. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Various-Artists-Warp-Vision-Videos/dp/B00076SJCS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1328111105&sr=8-2 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Various-Artists-Warp-Vision-Videos/d...
- mjwalshe 15y ago
  How would you pay for the Kit and pay the artistes running a band is not cheap even for a 3/4 member band.
- chollida1 15y ago
  That might work for established artists like Pearl Jam, but consider Pearl Jam in the early 90s. They made enough money to retire off their first album. Under the kickstarter model, they wouldn't have been able to earn anywhere near that much money as no one had heard of them outside of Seattle before their first album release.
  - minikomi 15y ago
    It's a lot easier to get heard now. Was making enough to retire their goal? Making enough to keep making music as much as they can seems like enough for a lot of musicians. If it could reach that level, I think it would be a "success".
- decadentcactus 15y ago
  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tfk/tfkthe-end-is-where-we-begin?ref=live http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tfk/tfkthe-end-is-where-... Thousand Foot Krutch made this project which was easily funded it seems. Although they are an established band already, and I'm not sure if 100k is "good" for them or not. But then again, that's only really pre-orders.
InclinedPlane 15y ago
Yes, the limits are different, that's why I wrote this: "Uncompensated sharing in the digital age has been unmoored from some of the traditional limits on sharing, moving it well outside the comfort zone for a lot of people and causing a lot of backlash against the phenomenon." You say radio, museums, and libraries aren't comparable to file sharing. Do you have data to back that up or merely prejudice? As for your anecdote above, it's rare for the price of a show for a given artist to remain the same over time. The Black Eyed Peas especially are very much more popular today than they were in 1999.
- mohene1 15y ago
  Museums - Examples of donations: Julian and Josie Robertson donate Picasso to North Carolina Museum of Art http://www.wral.com/news/local/noteworthy/story/7107735/ http://www.wral.com/news/local/noteworthy/story/7107735/ http://thesouthern.com/news/breaking/new-york-collectors-donating-art-to-siuc-museum/article_1382fd1e-30db-5ad7-a21c-8c0e1b8703c2.html http://thesouthern.com/news/breaking/new-york-collectors-don... Radio and Record Companies work in conjunction Music-formatted radio stations both commercial and non-commercial get their music for free from record labels. http://www.musicbizacademy.com/knab/articles/radiostations.htm http://www.musicbizacademy.com/knab/articles/radiostations.h... Libraries are publicly funded Why ticket prices have shot up over the last decade http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/why-rock-roll-slumping-u-210018584.html http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/why-rock-roll-slumping-u-21... Breakdown of ticket prices, bands receive %74to90% of ticket price http://www.wisebread.com/how-much-a-breakdown-of-concert-ticket-prices http://www.wisebread.com/how-much-a-breakdown-of-concert-tic... Music sales slump,concert ticket costs jump and rock fans pay the price. http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/10_17_2002.htm http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/10_17_2002.htm Ticket price, true they(BEP) were not that popular then but $28+tax in 1999 compared to $45 now is still higher than inflation. The inflation increase is 29%[3], the ticket increase is 60%[4]. [3]http://www.warpedtourtickets.musictoday.com/WarpedTour/calendar.aspx http://www.warpedtourtickets.musictoday.com/WarpedTour/calen... [4]http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
  - alexqgb 15y ago

by mohene1 15y ago

minikomi 15y ago

What about something like kickstarter, for music? The artist will only release if a certain threshold is reached.. Then the released music is completely "free" to share as people please. The artist is compensated as they see fit - they set the price in the first place, and also can use it to justify part of the price (to compensate for recording, hosting etc.). "Piracy" then serves to generate rep to prove that they can deliver on future releases, there can still be people who make money in the middle - generating PR for the project etc. The platform could take a small share of the cost, a slightly larger share for hosting, slightly more for promotion on the front page..

nextparadigms 15y ago
It would probably work pretty well, if the artist can prove himself in a short video, and then ask for money so he can make a music video and do it all with more professional equipment.
- minikomi 15y ago
  Make satellite sites for producers, video artists, stylists..
- wisty 15y ago
  Why would they want to do music videos? A music video is just an add, which just happens to cost more than the product to produce, and is entertaining enough that people actually watch them. People watch informercials too. Nobody buys their favorite music video (unless it's The Wall). They buy the CD, because all they really care about is the music.
  - minikomi 15y ago
    Because it's fun, creative, connects with fans on a different level to just music.. not to mention some acts have built careers just on self-made youtube videos.
  - JonnieCache 15y ago
    I beg to differ. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Various-Artists-Warp-Vision-Videos/dp/B00076SJCS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1328111105&sr=8-2 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Various-Artists-Warp-Vision-Videos/d...
mjwalshe 15y ago
How would you pay for the Kit and pay the artistes running a band is not cheap even for a 3/4 member band.
chollida1 15y ago
That might work for established artists like Pearl Jam, but consider Pearl Jam in the early 90s. They made enough money to retire off their first album. Under the kickstarter model, they wouldn't have been able to earn anywhere near that much money as no one had heard of them outside of Seattle before their first album release.
- minikomi 15y ago
  It's a lot easier to get heard now. Was making enough to retire their goal? Making enough to keep making music as much as they can seems like enough for a lot of musicians. If it could reach that level, I think it would be a "success".
decadentcactus 15y ago
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tfk/tfkthe-end-is-where-we-begin?ref=live http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tfk/tfkthe-end-is-where-... Thousand Foot Krutch made this project which was easily funded it seems. Although they are an established band already, and I'm not sure if 100k is "good" for them or not. But then again, that's only really pre-orders.

InclinedPlane 15y ago

Yes, the limits are different, that's why I wrote this: "Uncompensated sharing in the digital age has been unmoored from some of the traditional limits on sharing, moving it well outside the comfort zone for a lot of people and causing a lot of backlash against the phenomenon." You say radio, museums, and libraries aren't comparable to file sharing. Do you have data to back that up or merely prejudice? As for your anecdote above, it's rare for the price of a show for a given artist to remain the same over time. The Black Eyed Peas especially are very much more popular today than they were in 1999.

mohene1 15y ago
Museums - Examples of donations: Julian and Josie Robertson donate Picasso to North Carolina Museum of Art http://www.wral.com/news/local/noteworthy/story/7107735/ http://www.wral.com/news/local/noteworthy/story/7107735/ http://thesouthern.com/news/breaking/new-york-collectors-donating-art-to-siuc-museum/article_1382fd1e-30db-5ad7-a21c-8c0e1b8703c2.html http://thesouthern.com/news/breaking/new-york-collectors-don... Radio and Record Companies work in conjunction Music-formatted radio stations both commercial and non-commercial get their music for free from record labels. http://www.musicbizacademy.com/knab/articles/radiostations.htm http://www.musicbizacademy.com/knab/articles/radiostations.h... Libraries are publicly funded Why ticket prices have shot up over the last decade http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/why-rock-roll-slumping-u-210018584.html http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/why-rock-roll-slumping-u-21... Breakdown of ticket prices, bands receive %74to90% of ticket price http://www.wisebread.com/how-much-a-breakdown-of-concert-ticket-prices http://www.wisebread.com/how-much-a-breakdown-of-concert-tic... Music sales slump,concert ticket costs jump and rock fans pay the price. http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/10_17_2002.htm http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/10_17_2002.htm Ticket price, true they(BEP) were not that popular then but $28+tax in 1999 compared to $45 now is still higher than inflation. The inflation increase is 29%[3], the ticket increase is 60%[4]. [3]http://www.warpedtourtickets.musictoday.com/WarpedTour/calendar.aspx http://www.warpedtourtickets.musictoday.com/WarpedTour/calen... [4]http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
- alexqgb 15y ago